Homosexual Marriage

[Matt W]

This isn't a chat room. Keep it to the point, please.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Anmon And of course you paint the worse scene possible for your poor little gay hero here if getting thrown out. Of course he would never just move in with his gay mates somewhere else would he?

Worst case scenarios are important because they tell us what potential situations have the potential to escalate to, even if just a tiny minority end up like this that is too many.

Quote by: Anmon From my experience, there are not many street casualties from being tossed out of home for being gay. Most of the kids I talked to were on the streets because of mental issues.

Casualties? First off they're aren't many gay people around to point out the bleeding obvious, yet alone someone who would willingly let you live with them, assuming this is late teens it would be incredibly difficult to find a home to live in. Say you do find a home to live in, what do you honestly think the child's psychological state is going to be after that, you think it'll be happily ever after with his new surrogate parents?

Quote by: Anmon Not because they were gay. I think if someone came out and said they were gay, most parents would be fine with it, but if the kid then proceeded to throw gay issues into their faces, and try to indoctrinate them into accepting the life style, and bringing other gays into the house, then the parents if not wanting that would be justified in telling the gay kid to move out. Take it somewhere else, not in our home. Get it?

Like tycoon has said, you have no idea what you're talking about so gtfo, first off gay kids don't try to "throw gay agendas" in their parents faces, believe me it's bloody hard and it's pretty much always a quick sentence then praying like hell they don't get angry.

[tommy5x]

So what you're saying, Anmon, is that tolerance is fine, and acceptance isn't required? Indoctrination means introducing to a way of life. Not only is that impossible to legitimise as an argument in such a diverse segment of society, homosexuality is not a way of life, it's a form of being. For the last damn time IT IS NOT A CHOICE.

It's fine for a heterosexual teenager to bring another home, but not a homosexual another?

"Sure Jenny, Simon can come over."
"PETER! Of course John can't come too, he's one of 'you.'"

That's be just swell for emotional development.

[Anmon]

=tommy5x;500119]So what you're saying, Anmon, is that tolerance is fine, and acceptance isn't required?

Acceptance must be genuine, not just forced onto people, because they disagree.

Indoctrination means introducing to a way of life. Not only is that impossible to legitimise as an argument in such a diverse segment of society, homosexuality is not a way of life, it's a form of being. For the last damn time IT IS NOT A CHOICE.

I agree, because who would want to choose it to begin with?
I have always believed homosexuality is a mental illness, and in some cases guys are turned gay from being raped into it, again definitely not their choice.

It's fine for a heterosexual teenager to bring another home, but not a homosexual another?

Not if the parents don't want gay peters life style invading their home.
Its their home, not his, if they don't want it in their house, they are quite entitled to not have it.

That's be just swell for emotional development.

aww have a tissue

[Tycoon]

Acceptance must be genuine, not just forced onto people, because they disagree.

You're right, why would we want to promote acceptance? We should just let people discriminate against anything and everything that they want to discriminate against. *SARCASM*

I agree, because who would want to choose it to begin with?

I didn't choose it but given the choice I would stay the way I am. I see nothing wrong with it.

I have always believed homosexuality is a mental illness, and in some cases guys are turned gay from being raped into it, again definitely not their choice.

Well you have always believed incorrectly, haven't you? First of all, I haven't been raped, and I'm gay. Second of all, homosexuality is just a difference in the brain. Everybody's brains are different, and there is no reason why homosexuality should be singled out as an illness.

Its their home, not his, if they don't want it in their house, they are quite entitled to not have it.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't spread acceptance.

[caphis]

Quote by: Anmon I have always believed homosexuality is a mental illness, and in some cases guys are turned gay from being raped into it, again definitely not their choice.

Is it 1973 again?

[yourmaster]

First of all I would appreciate it if you would answer all the points made in the thread, not just the ones that suit you, it makes your arguement look some what flawed.

Quote by: Anmon Acceptance must be genuine, not just forced onto people, because they disagree.

Exactly, but acceptance is not what we ask for, merely tolerance. Everybody should have the right to live their life free from discrimination against things they cannot choose.

Quote by: Anmon I agree, because who would want to choose it to begin with? I have always believed homosexuality is a mental illness, and in some cases guys are turned gay from being raped into it, again definitely not their choice.

I am going to put this down to poor wording as I think you probably mean a mental condition/state not illness. I thank you for accepting that homosexuality is not a choice.

Quote by: Anmon Not if the parents don't want gay peters life style invading their home. Its their home, not his, if they don't want it in their house, they are quite entitled to not have it.

Of course they are, but parents are allowed to govern who enters and leaves their house, this is all well and good. Do you honestly believe that it is beneficial to anyone to evict a child onto the streets on the grounds of homosexuality? I struggle to comprehend quite how you can think this given you have conceded homosexuality to not be a choice, this could be you, evidently it is not, but it could have been, would you want to be evicted just because you are a homosexual?

Quote by: Anmon aww have a tissue

Again you show your complete lack of morality and sympathy, I will repeat the point which before you so blatantly ignored. What/who does this benefit? All it results in is stunted emotional development, a rift between the parents and child, a lack of trust between parents and child and repressed sexual desires which could lead to depression and it's knock-on effects.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Winter wind I don't mean to rush you, but are you really going to respond?

I don't mean to rush you, but are you ever going to respond to this? Or any of the other posts you've ignored?
Also what happened to Dirty Name? He was fun because he kind of had a point.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: yourmaster I don't mean to rush you, but are you ever going to respond to this? Or any of the other posts you've ignored? Also what happened to Dirty Name? He was fun because he kind of had a point.

Me? Post the thing I missed, I'll respond right now.

[tommy5x]

He was talking to Anmon :)

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Winter wind Me? Post the thing I missed, I'll respond right now.

I was talking to Amnon yeah

[Aussie]

Who would choose to be gay when there's so many people like Anmon around anyway?? Every gay person I know didn't choose to be gay, though they were a million times happy when they admitted to themselves they were.

I think it's sad in this day in age that this conversation is still happening and its only due to the hatred and ignorance spouted by people like Anmon that it's still an issue. My book says you're evil and you're damned for all eternity. What a lovely book you have...

[Winter wind]

ahh, well in a generation or two...who knows?

[encryptedwrath]

Amnon won't be around for a while xP

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: encryptedwrath Amnon won't be around for a while xP

True. Yet this is off topic, so lets leave comments on his suspension out of the debate.

Back on to the topic.

[Matt W]

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[Winter wind]

The new basis of argument.

For the pro-homosexual marriage.

It is not a harmful act to anyone.
It is not a choice (may not be genetic, but decided so early in childhood that it really doesn't make a difference). This is supported with evidence from the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and common sense.

".In a 2004 paper, psychology professor Lawrence Kurdek of Wright State University in Ohio reported that over a 12-year period, 21% of gay and lesbian couples broke up; only 14% of married straight couples did."

Meaning that the relationships are just as strong as straight couple's.

For the final question, why ban it?

PS. No Bible talk, as this is a social and political issue. Not a theological one. (at least in this thread)

[LadyMacbeth]

exactly homosexuals arnt hurting anyone why should anyone care if they get married? people cant help their sexualty and who they fall in love with.

[yourmaster]

While we lack a anti-gay marriage debater, I'll see what I can do, for the record I am pro-homosexual everything, being one it kind of helps.

Quote by: Winter wind It is not a harmful act to anyone.

You cannot deny it is harmful to the reproductive system that the human race is based upon, fecundicity is the prominent evolutionary heuristic and as homosexuals refute this they are contradicting the healthy development of the human race

Quote by: Winter wind It is not a choice (may not be genetic, but decided so early in childhood that it really doesn't make a difference). This is supported with evidence from the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and common sense.

I do not deny that homosexuality is not a conscious choice, yet if it is enviromentally affected then homosexuality can be averted and recovered from. Change the environmental factors or attempt to change your perceptions of them and it may be possible to change sexuality.
There is no solid evidence of a gay gene and there is a lot to contradict it, so we shall leave that for another day on the grounds of lack of information.

Quote by: Winter wind ".In a 2004 paper, psychology professor Lawrence Kurdek of Wright State University in Ohio reported that over a 12-year period, 21% of gay and lesbian couples broke up; only 14% of married straight couples did."

Simple mathematics suggest from those figures that heterosexual couples are 7% less likely to split up, this causes less damage to society and it's knockon effects, it is in society's best interests to have lasting marriages, as gay marriages are not so strong then they should not be allowed to legally marry.

Quote by: Winter wind For the final question, why ban it?

Heterosexual marriages are stronger, they have the ability to procreate, they provide a stable base for rearing a child, where as a child raised by homosexuals will face major issues in later life because they have homosexual foster parents. Homosexuality though it's members do contribute to society they do not contribute as much as heterosexuals, I think they should be allowed to marry, but with less rights and privellages for the above reasons.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: yourmaster While we lack a anti-gay marriage debater, I'll see what I can do, for the record I am pro-homosexual everything, being one it kind of helps.

Thank you very much. I need the practice.

Quote by: yourmaster You cannot deny it is harmful to the reproductive system that the human race is based upon, fecundicity is the prominent evolutionary heuristic and as homosexuals refute this they are contradicting the healthy development of the human race

I can't say underpopulation is a real problem right now. I mean, we have an overpopulated globe. All the more reason to have homosexuals.

yet if it is enviromentally affected then homosexuality can be averted and recovered from.

Sexual behavior is the hardest to change.

However just because it isn't genetic, doesn't mean it isn't biological.
The reason why the younger brothers are more likely to be gay is because the mother's womb "feminine-izes" the child as it is inside the mother. This cannot be changed by conditioning.
Homosexuality is proven to be biological and not really behavioral (it is slightly but not entirely)

Simple mathematics suggest from those figures that heterosexual couples are 7% less likely to split up

That is attributed to the idea that the married couples would be less likely to go through the devorce process since it entails much more then just breaking up. Homosexuals don't have as much obligation or social pressure to stay together.

Heterosexual marriages are stronger, they have the ability to procreate, they provide a stable base for rearing a child, where as a child raised by homosexuals will face major issues in later life because they have homosexual foster parents.

You can't say heterosexual marriages are stronger because we haven't seen a heterosexual couple in the united states (actually, I think we have, but I'm too tired to grab stats.)

What kind of major issues would the child face?

Homosexuality though it's members do contribute to society they do not contribute as much as heterosexuals, I think they should be allowed to marry, but with less rights and privellages for the above reasons.

I think the fact they contribute less children to society is a good thing (overpopulation) and they contribute more as they are more likely to take the strain off of orphanages and raise children themselves.

Hah, thanks for the debate. This is good.