Homosexual Marriage

[Anmon]

Quote by: tommy5x This is a debate forum, and he(?) wishes to debate.

but I've given my reasons why, he doesn't agree, so end of debate.

[Anmon]

Quote by: yourmaster A lot of Australians are the descendants of deported prisoners, it has no reflection on today's Australia, lets please drop this it's pointless.

Well I didn't bring it up, so your addressing the wrong person.

[Anmon]

=yourmaster;497472]Debate forum, it's what it's for. So far I'm yet to see anything from you other then using common opinion to justify an arguement

Common opinion is a pretty good indicator of what most people want, sorry if this escapes you somehow, as not being a good enough reason to not legalise gay marriage.
And lets look at your great arguments for it, only really the opinion mostly of socialist activists, that theres no reason why gays cant marry and have kids together, but what hard proof exactly are you basing that on?

If you want to win the debate then I suggest you hurry up and think up something that is seriously going to prevent homosexual marriage being viable, Dirty Name had a good starting point, maybe you should think about building up from where he left off

It wouldn't matter if I did win the debate, thats hardly going to change your views for gay marriage.
The reason you support gay marriage is because you know it will help to ruin western society.

[ShadowFox]

It wouldn't matter if I did win the debate, thats hardly going to change your views for gay marriage. The reason you support gay marriage is because you know it will help to ruin western society.

Yes we are trying to destroy the society that many of us live in

Really, your are a rare individual. Someone who thinks that accepting homosexuality is harmful to society. This is similar to people against the civil rights movement.

[Anmon]

=Halofan48;497560]Yes we are trying to destroy the society that many of us live in

In order to create a new one.
Socialism wants to tear down western value and replace them with their own, and they will use any group of people to do that.

Really, your are a rare individual. Someone who thinks that accepting homosexuality is harmful to society. This is similar to people against the civil rights movement.

Here we go, its always the civil rights movement, funny you know. the pedos are now using the same argument as well, gee how didn't we see that one coming?
And again you make a broad sweeping statement, about it being homosexuality I'm against.
I am against it for about the millionth time, because of socialist promotion of gay marriage, adoption, gay indoctrination and heavy promotion through the media, advertisements and education etc not just because a person is gay as you suggest.

[ShadowFox]

again with the pedophile argument. For the LAST TIME, in pretty much all cases of pedophiles doing something, it was without consent of the partener, homosexual marriage requires consent from both. Understand?

[Anmon]

Again, I am bringing in the 'pedosexual' argument as they are starting to climb on the same bandwagon you guys got on with civil rights.
Its not a comparison with homosexuals wanting to marry.
They have recently won a legal battle in court with the ACLU defending their views as freedom of speech.
Like it or not, this is something that you cant pretend is not happening, they are following the same path as you guys, they have also been helped along it by GSLEN.

NAMBLA Exposed!
Linda P. Harvey -- The Risk of 'Gay' Activism in Our Schools

[Tycoon]

Again, I am bringing in the 'pedosexual' argument as they are starting to climb on the same bandwagon you guys got on with civil rights.

I have heard nothing about a single pedophile calling for more rights. Even if they tried they would get any anyways, as pedophiles are a destructive force in society.

Its not a comparison with homosexuals wanting to marry.

You're right. It isn't a comparison with homosexual marriage. Therefore, it doesn't belong here. Make a thread about it, but stop wasting our time here.

They have recently won a legal battle in court with the ACLU defending their views as freedom of speech.

I see no reason why they can't express their views. They simply can't act on them, and that will never change.

Like it or not, this is something that you cant pretend is not happening, they are following the same path as you guys, they have also been helped along it by GSLEN.

I don't have to pretend. You claim some bandwagon exists that doesn't. It's anybody's right to say anything, a single court case over freedom of speech does not imply a movement for more rights to pedophiles.

[Tycoon]

Socialism wants to tear down western value and replace them with their own, and they will use any group of people to do that.

In what way does homosexuality have anything to do with socialism?

Here we go, its always the civil rights movement, funny you know. the pedos are now using the same argument as well, gee how didn't we see that one coming?

What pedophile movement? What pedophile argument? Pedophilia is harmful. Homosexuality is not.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Anmon Common opinion is a pretty good indicator of what most people want, sorry if this escapes you somehow, as not being a good enough reason to not legalise gay marriage. And lets look at your great arguments for it, only really the opinion mostly of socialist activists, that theres no reason why gays cant marry and have kids together, but what hard proof exactly are you basing that on?

Common opinion, as has been said many times, is of course an indicator of the majority's view, but that does not mean that the majority is right, you base your arguements on a smooth running society. Is a smooth running society that is based on corrupt morals worth existing at all? How can you claim that doing this, effectively restricting the rights of a 10% minority based on their sexual orientation, will actually bring smooth running society? If 10% of the population feels cheated and robbed, how will that by any means add towards a smooth running society?

Quote by: Anmon It wouldn't matter if I did win the debate, thats hardly going to change your views for gay marriage. The reason you support gay marriage is because you know it will help to ruin western society.

I am quite happy to change my views on gay marriage, I have no problem, if you can suitably persuade me, to abandon gay marriage in favour of some other method that would better suit everyone.
It won't change me being gay, you will struggle to persuade me to be against homosexuals, seeing as I am one.
The reason I support homosexuals is I believe that we should not discriminate against someone for something they can not choose, restricting gay marriage rights is effectively discrimination against homosexuals because they contribute to society in so many ways, they are completely equal to heterosexuals excepting the fact that they do not procreate.
Gay marriage rights will not help to ruin western society, it will help bring it into an age in which everyone is free to say what they want, where everyone is free to love who they would and marry them to prove it, I want a free and smooth running society and homosexuals should be incorporated into that.
I know I am an idealist, but just because something is so difficult it may never happen doesn't mean we should stop striding to reach it.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Anmon Here we go, its always the civil rights movement, funny you know. the pedos are now using the same argument as well, gee how didn't we see that one coming? And again you make a broad sweeping statement, about it being homosexuality I'm against. I am against it for about the millionth time, because of socialist promotion of gay marriage, adoption, gay indoctrination and heavy promotion through the media, advertisements and education etc not just because a person is gay as you suggest.

So you're saying you are against homosexual marriage merely because socialists are in support of it, you would discriminate against an entire body of the population based on the fact that socialists support them?
You I think, need a rethink.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Anmon Again, I am bringing in the 'pedosexual' argument as they are starting to climb on the same bandwagon you guys got on with civil rights. Its not a comparison with homosexuals wanting to marry.

You start your post with this, saying that this is not related to this arguement, that you are merely saying this because they are using the same arguement in a different context, you acknowledge that the situation is different and the reasons the paedophiles denial of liberties is because of the illegality of carrying out their sexual desires.

Quote by: Anmon They have recently won a legal battle in court with the ACLU defending their views as freedom of speech. Like it or not, this is something that you cant pretend is not happening, they are following the same path as you guys, they have also been helped along it by GSLEN.

You then go on and develop your completely independant of this debate point with this and many posts before it.
Yes the paedophiles are using the same arguement as we are, but the paedophiles situation is different in a way that has been stated many times before, the paedophiles use of the arguement is the same, but the context is different and this is wholely irrelevant, the paedophiles are being denied their civil liberties because most of them carry out their sexual desires illegally, homosexuals do not, this is why the paedophiles are finding it a whole lot harder to make themselves equal citizens merely because the majority of them carry out their sexual desires illegally.
This arguement is irrelevant, lets please drop it.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Anmon In order to create a new one. Socialism wants to tear down western value and replace them with their own, and they will use any group of people to do that.

If the western values aren't right, they need to be torn down.

Socialism has nothing to do with it, they are separate issues.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: anomon no reason why gays cant marry and have kids together, but what hard proof exactly are you basing that on?

No no. It's your job to prove that it is harmful. Not ours to prove it isn't.

It wouldn't matter if I did win the debate, thats hardly going to change your views for gay marriage. The reason you support gay marriage is because you know it will help to ruin western society.

Yes anmon, we want to destroy western society. We just hate it. I mean we only live there to throw rocks at it.

Again, I am bringing in the 'pedosexual' argument as they are starting to climb on the same bandwagon you guys got on with civil rights. Its not a comparison with homosexuals wanting to marry. They have recently won a legal battle in court with the ACLU defending their views as freedom of speech. Like it or not, this is something that you cant pretend is not happening, they are following the same path as you guys, they have also been helped along it by GSLEN. NAMBLA Exposed! Linda P. Harvey -- The Risk of 'Gay' Activism in Our Schools

One, Nambla is a joke. No one takes their views seriously.
Two, Nambla is tommorow's problem. Gay marriage is our focus. We will fight Nambla separately. In another debate.

[Anmon]

=Marilyn Monroe;497778]If the western values aren't right, they need to be torn down.

That depends on what you think is right.

Socialism has nothing to do with it, they are separate issues.

Socialism has been attacking western values in the west actively since the nineteen thirty's.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Anmon That depends on what you think is right. Socialism has been attacking western values in the west actively since the nineteen thirty's.

*sigh* You go on about common opinion being what will make a smooth running society, yes? If the socialist view becomes common opinion then according to your own logic then tearing down society and replacing it with a socialist one would be best for a smooth running society.

[Anmon]

Socialist views are a minority, only power trippers want the world to be socialist, so they can be hopefully at the top telling all the serfs what to do.
No one in their right mind wants a socialist society.
You don't think common opinion is important, well sorry but thats the majority of society then, your dismissing as unimportant.

[tommy5x]

Nice dodge.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Anmon Socialist views are a minority, only power trippers want the world to be socialist, so they can be hopefully at the top telling all the serfs what to do. No one in their right mind wants a socialist society. You don't think common opinion is important, well sorry but thats the majority of society then, your dismissing as unimportant.

Really. Do feel free to talk to any Scandinavians you come across as to how you feel their society is warped and twisted.

[Anmon]

Quote by: tommy5x Nice dodge.

Not really, unless your actually naive enough to believe the majority of the country wants a socialist government.