Homosexual Marriage

[ShadowFox]

1. Where does it say that having children is required for marriage?
2. What about infertile couples, can they get married?
3. ever hear of surrogate mothers, adoption, or sperm donation?

[Anmon]

Isherwood;494968]People holding hands indicates lust? That response indicates serious issues with affection and sexuality.

gays holding hands for me is just part of their lust, they don't know what love is, it all revolves primarily around sex.

Biologically, humans are animals.

But not mentally, we much more than just animals.

Will it be "cured" for every other species as well?

I don't see why not, if it was deemed necessary.

"1,500 animal species practice homosexuality"

meaning they have defects as well.

[ShadowFox]

gays holding hands for me is just part of their lust, they don't know what love is, it all revolves primarily around sex.

Than any straight couple is also just revolving around sex. This is such an intolerant and uneducated answer that it shocks me anyone could post such an obviously false statement! They are human, they can feel love. I'm sorry if that contradicts your mentality, but it's true.

[Anmon]

=Halofan48;494984]1. Where does it say that having children is required for marriage?

Humanity wasn't given a book on what was suitable and what wasn't, but commonsense told us along the way alot of things, and one of those is most people marry specifically to have kids together.

2. What about infertile couples, can they get married?

Yes, they can adopt.
No, thats not a good enough reason for gay people to marry too.

3. ever hear of surrogate mothers, adoption, or sperm donation?

Yes, but your using a straw man here, because most people that marry, almost all, are fertile.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Than any straight couple is also just revolving around sex. This is such an intolerant and uneducated answer that it shocks me anyone could post such an obviously false statement! They are human, they can feel love. I'm sorry if that contradicts your mentality, but it's true.

True for you, not me.

[ShadowFox]

Yes, they can adopt. No, thats not a good enough reason for gay people to marry too.

If your argument is on the ability to have children, either both or neither can be able to marry, since both can adopt. Which is it?

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 If your argument is on the ability to have children, either both or neither can be able to marry, since both can adopt. Which is it?

My argument is not the ability to have children, but the right environment to have children in, which is a male and female relationship called marriage.
I don't believe gays should be allowed to marry or adopt.
This may shock you, but I have a gay friend, and he agrees with me.

[ShadowFox]

Again, provide actual evidence that shows that homosexuals cannot raise children as well as heterosexuals.

[Jack]

gays holding hands for me is just part of their lust, they don't know what love is, it all revolves primarily around sex.

I can only hope that anyone espousing this attitude grows out of it by their early 20s. It's such a juvenile opinion.

This may shock you, but I have a gay friend, and he agrees with me.

This may shock you, but you probably have several friends who are gay. With that mindset, though, I can understand their not wanting it known.

Why do homophobes always claim they have a "gay" friend and racists a "black" friend? Are we supposed to excuse their intolerance based on the premise they have a friend who tolerates them?

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Again, provide actual evidence that shows that homosexuals cannot raise children as well as heterosexuals.

Well it stands to reason that hardly any homosexual couples are raising kids in great numbers, so there must be a good reason for it.
And if you think that two men or two women can do just a good a job as a man and a woman bringing a kid up, supplying all its needs, including being proper role models, then your just part of political correctness gone mad, provide some proof yourself of gay couples being as good parents.

[Tycoon]

And if you think that two men or two women can do just a good a job as a man and a woman bringing a kid up, supplying all its needs, including being proper role models, then your just part of political correctness gone mad, provide some proof yourself of gay couples being as good parents.

I do think that. Gays have jobs and can provide physical needs. Gays run households just as well as other couples. There is no reason why gays wouldn't make good parents. Why should the children care what sexuality their parents are? Do you have sex in front of your children?

And besides, you are the one who is discriminating and so you are the one who needs proof.

[Anmon]

[=Isherwood;495020]I can only hope that anyone espousing this attitude grows out of it by their early 20s. It's such a juvenile opinion.

No its an opinion, you see mine as juvenile, I see yours as warped.

This may shock you, but you probably have several friends who are gay. With that mindset, though, I can understand their not wanting it known.

Ive got about three, two of them argue with me all the time about gay stuff until I tell them to belt up, and the other agrees with me on nearly everything.

Why do homophobes always claim they have a "gay" friend and racists a "black" friend? Are we supposed to excuse their intolerance based on the premise they have a friend who tolerates them?

Homophobe a word used to describe anyone who disagrees with anything bought up by the gay lobby, it has nothing to do with fear of homosexuality, its an understandable dislike of political correctness for telling everyone what they should think and say, like you are now.

[Anmon]

[Tycoon=;495024]I do think that. Gays have jobs and can provide physical needs. Gays run households just as well as other couples. There is no reason why gays wouldn't make good parents. Why should the children care what sexuality their parents are? Do you have sex in front of your children?

I dont care how good they can run the household budget, but gays handling kids makes my stomach dead set queasy.

And besides, you are the one who is discriminating and so you are the one who needs proof.

Ive given my opinion, which is the opinion of millions upon millions of other people in the world as well, and most religions, that is proof enough.
Why do you think we have laws against it, if it was so right then those laws wouldn't be there in the first place would they.
There is nothing to discriminate against anyway, its like saying a donkey cant race in the olympics.

[Tycoon]

I dont care how good they can run the household budget, but gays handling kids makes my stomach dead set queasy.

I honestly don't care what makes your stomach queasy. We are not debating your feelings, as much as you want us to. There is nothing wrong with gays running a family.

Ive given my opinion, which is the opinion of millions upon millions of other people in the world as well, and most religions, that is proof enough.

I could care less what your religion tells you. You are not going to tell me what I can or cannot do based on your religion. And as for the rest of the world, you assume they follow your shallow viewpoint, and you're wrong. Europe is much more accepting of gays. It is the United States that doesn't deserve the title "land of the free", and I and many others intend to change that.

[ShadowFox]

I dont care how good they can run the household budget, but gays handling kids makes my stomach dead set queasy.

People who raise their children to be intolerant of someone for something they can't control make me sick.

Ive given my opinion, which is the opinion of millions upon millions of other people in the world as well, and most religions, that is proof enough. Why do you think we have laws against it, if it was so right then those laws wouldn't be there in the first place would they. There is nothing to discriminate against anyway, its like saying a donkey cant race in the olympics.

Then why is the world changing? Well? Oh ya, that's right. Because it's considered wrong to discriminate against someone for something they can't control. Maybe you are unfamiliar with this concept.

[gela]

Most gay men do not like women much at all, as most lesbians do not like men, do you know of many gay men that live with women or the reverse?

This is where your argument comes undone.
I know several lesbians. The three Im out right thinking of each have a father and a brother who they get on well with.
They also get on well with men. In some cases, better then they get on with other girls.

All your assumptions are based on your emotional opinion on gays. Not on science, logic, or any facts whatsoever.

I'll give you some proof its not natural- penis in vagina make baby, penis in bum make nothing, no point really for it to happen then. The gay animals are confused and screwed up too.

You completely ignored my point.
The definition of natural is 'existing outside of human intervention'.
You are using the English language wrong.

Guess what, there are probably more people in the world who agree with me than you, everyone your own age is so brainwashed with fear of speaking out against anything politically correct, so how could you honestly know?

So when we are raised with an attitude that isn't your own, its brainwashing?
Nobody is afraid. I have spent allot of time in the performing arts, which contains a fair amount of homosexuals. I know what I am talking about, when I talk about modern attitudes to homosexuals.
Straight men get on well with gay men. They aren't just staying quiet out of fear - they are enjoying their company. Its called the future.

[Jack]

This is where your argument comes undone.

Let's be fair. This whole line of reasoning (if I dare call it that) is based on the experience of having one gay friend. A single sample doesn't return very accurate results.

Most gay men do not like women much at all, as most lesbians do not like men, do you know of many gay men that live with women or the reverse?

Ever hear of "fag hags"?

Women and gay men get along quite well together. Perhaps it's because gay men don't hit on them every few moments and aren't obsessed with having sex with them (you know, those straight guys always have their minds in the gutter). It could also be because gay men have traditionally gravitated toward the arts, a field where the uncommon is appreciated. So they're artists, musicians, usually found where ever it's cool and hip to be. That makes them much better company than Bob the plumber who only wants to dominate them and reproduce. Gay men I know appreciate women for being witty, intelligent and interesting, behaviors not often exhibited by straight men. Women, too, enjoy being appreciated, not something a lot of them get from their straight male friends. And yes, I know of several gay men who live with women. Some are married to them.

[Anmon]

[Halofan48;495033]People who raise their children to be intolerant of someone for something they can't control make me sick.

I don't really care if it makes you sick tbh, I'll raise any children I may have to my ideals, and the bibles, not fascist political correctness which is misleading and evil.

Then why is the world changing?

Which world? Your little politically correct fascist world that dictates to the rest of society what it should say and think?
Thats not the world mate, perhaps you should take your views to Asia the middle east and Africa, or South America, your views on what the world is would be mocked, laughed at and go down quicker than a lead balloon.

Also don't expect your 'enlightened' open minded world to last for long, you are a dying impractical breed, because of your very ideals.
Sorry but a society that lives by small family's, as in not having enough kids to replace themselves, and promoting homosexuality doesn't last very long, could be a good reason why this hasn't happened in the past.
Your a dead end, with silly ideals, that ultimately end in a society simply vanishing. By the end of this century your beliefs will be viewed with a mixture of ridicule, sympathy and disgust by a world that has long forgotten socialism, by a world who chose to have traditional family's with their values, that will simply by its greater numbers replace your fast dwindling ones.

Well? Oh ya, that's right. Because it's considered wrong to discriminate against someone for something they can't control. Maybe you are unfamiliar with this concept.

I'm well familiar with political correctness fascism, which decides what can and cant be discriminated yes.

[Matt W]

And you'd rather be an outright facist, who discriminates on colour, religion and sexual preference? Seems to me you're the one in the wrong place....

[italiangm]

Quote by: Anmon Humanity wasn't given a book on what was suitable and what wasn't, but commonsense told us along the way alot of things, and one of those is most people marry specifically to have kids together.

I suggest you pick up a history book.

Historically-speaking, marriage began as a business arrangement. Brides were commodities. Dowry was a deal sweetener. Grooms were pawns in an economic alliance between families.

Government, church, divorce -- and oftentimes romance -- were not involved. Procreation, child rearing, and contract enforcement assured the orderly transfer of wealth through the predictable and repeatable cycle of arranged matrimony.

Children were property, necessary for labor, and used to assure continuity of family power and aggregation of assets.

Eventually the theists came along and wanted a piece of that action. They imposed their arbitrary and artificial moral authority on all things, including marriage, to acquire wealth and power for themselves.

What we call marriage today is a far cry from yesteryear. The definition has been fluid enough to fit whatever set of circumstances it needed to fit and has changed many times.