Homosexual Marriage

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt You continually go back to this idea of homosexuals being more sleazy when there's just really no proof of it. Heterosexuals can be just as sleazy as homosexuals and there's no proof that overall, homosexuals are more sleazy. You need numbers to back this up. There's no other way to validate such a statement.

No proof? Theres loads of proof, just go to any gay neighborhood in the world, or one of the many pride marches and events, like sleezeballs, gaydays etc theres your numbers, and heterosexuals are joining in, influenced by the perversions flaunted with no shame, I have seen plenty of hetero sleeze as well, but its coming from the gays and socialists in society who heavily encourage it.

[ShadowFox]

You have yet to prove any of this. Also, did you ever consider that maybe the marching is kind of like asking for equal rights? You know, non violent protest. There have been marches throughout time for equal rights, are you saying they were sleazy too?

[Tycoon]

No proof? Theres loads of proof, just go to any gay neighborhood in the world, or one of the many pride marches and events, like sleezeballs, gaydays etc theres your numbers, and heterosexuals are joining in, influenced by the perversions flaunted with no shame, I have seen plenty of hetero sleeze as well, but its coming from the gays and socialists in society who heavily encourage it.

And marching is wrong why?

Were well aware of that already, and shoving it down our throats as something we must accept whether we like it or not, is eventually going to one day backfire on gays.

I'm sorry, but isn't it you who is deciding for gays that they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If anybody is shoving anything down anybody's throats it's you. And not to mention this is all for your flawed perception of what society should look like.

[Tycoon]

There is a lot more sexual perversion going on with gay meeting places but, my concern anyway is not gays meeting up and having sex I honestly don't care, as long as its not in my face somewhere in public, my concern is their values in regard to this are being pushed into the rest of society making it more sleezy.

Do explain how being gay is a perversion? And don't tell me you haven't kissed anybody in public. Maybe I don't want to see that, I don't want you doing that in my face.

Besides, in my opinion you're the biggest kind of sleezebag there is. Prove me wrong.

[Tycoon]

If you go back and care to look instead of just making stuff up, I said gay people are not suited for bringing up children or marrying like heterosexual couples do, I also said they can do alot of things just as well as any one else can, so that makes what you just supposedly quoted me as saying, which I didn't say, without a proper quote even I might add, a deliberate lie on your part.

The entire argument in favor of male and female role models is flawed. There is no necessity for a male and a female role model. What is the job of parents? To prepare their child to go out and live their own life by teaching them good values, how to make a living, and how to run a home.

There is no reason to suggest that gays have poor values. Believe it or not gays need money to and work at jobs. And last but not least, gays make dinner and clean their dirty underwear, they know how to run a home.

So I fail to see what aspect of parenting a child misses out on by having gay parents.

[Tycoon]

I don't need to evaluate anything, gays are way over the top with their sexuality, especially if they know its going to cause offense.

And you are basing this on what?

Tolerance is usually guided by what the parents approve of themselves, or used to be anyway. Its up to the majority to decide what society should tolerate and what it shouldn't, not agenda pressing minority's.

So are you suggesting that our differences should not be tolerated? Are you suggesting that minorities should not be protected? Maybe the majority doesn't like you because you like pears instead of apples. So now you're not allowed to eat pears anymore, you're only allowed to eat apples.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Tycoon Besides, in my opinion you're the biggest kind of sleezebag there is. Prove me wrong.

Reminder: The #1 rule at http://www.volconvo.com/forums/misc.php?do=cfrules is:

"No threats, personal insults or attacks"

[Tycoon]

Exactly not the same as everyone else, by this admission you are equating gay marriage etc as not the norm for society, and therefore we don't have to accept it as equal to our marriages, as we don't have to accept gay family's as normal by law either.

And why is it wrong to be different from the majority? You may not have to accept gay marriage for now but I assure you that is going to change.

[Tycoon]

Reminder: The #1 rule at http://www.volconvo.com/forums/misc.php?do=cfrules is: "No threats, personal insults or attacks"

I was making a point, that his opinion his unsubstantiated and I could say the exact same thing about him.

Besides, I'm gay. He's calling me a sleezebag.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Tycoon I was making a point, that his opinion his unsubstantiated and I could say the exact same thing about him.

And in fact, you (or perhaps someone else) indicated heterosexuals are 'sleezebags'. This is acceptable because it is not a personal attack.

Quote by: Tycoon Besides, I'm gay. He's calling me a sleezebag.

No, he's referring to gay people in general, not you specifically. However, you specifically singled him out and accused him of being a 'sleezebag'. This is not acceptable behavior in a debate forum.

[Tycoon]

And in fact, you (or perhaps someone else) indicated heterosexuals are 'sleezebags'. This is acceptable because it is not a personal attack.

That wasn't me. You might consider finding out who before you start complaining to me.

No, he's referring to gay people in general, not you specifically. However, you specifically singled him out and accused him of being a 'sleezebag'. This is not acceptable behavior in a debate forum.

As I said, I was only making a point. I didn't actually mean he was a sleezebag, which is why I told him to "prove me wrong".

Oh, and also, you should stop complaining and listing rules in the thread. If you want to complain then complain in private message to either myself or the moderators.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Tycoon Oh, and also, you should stop complaining and listing rules in the thread. If you want to complain then complain in private message to either myself or the moderators.

Self-policing is an encouraged practice.

However, since you insist, the complaint to moderators has been filed. Let's see what they say.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 You have yet to prove any of this. Also, did you ever consider that maybe the marching is kind of like asking for equal rights? You know, non violent protest. There have been marches throughout time for equal rights, are you saying they were sleazy too?

No I don't believe it is, initially maybe, but now it is a yearly event in most western city's, with further activity's such as gay day, sleeze balls etc also becoming yearly events, so its logical to see that having come this far, more gay events will be pushed ontp the public whether they like it or not, anyone objecting to this overkill, will be singled out and villianified with the usual
tags of homophobe, hater, sexist, racist, misogynist etc or anything they can stick on you to shut you up.
The gay marches and events have been happening for quite awhile now all over the west, and look to be building even more momentum with events that specifically poke fun and ridicule Jesus Christ being the latest travesty.
Where as the civil and equal rights marches were mostly a short period only, another example of gays pushing their cause wrongly onto the 60'S bandwagon.
And no, the other marches were not sleazy, because if they were I would have said so.

[Anmon]

[=Tycoon;494298]And marching is wrong why?

Well to say the obvious, the point is what your marching about here, not is marching bad.

I'm sorry, but isn't it you who is deciding for gays that they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If anybody is shoving anything down anybody's throats it's you.

I'm not deciding anything, I am just one of many voicing my concern on the path our society has taken, in pandering to minority's rights as having equal if not more so importance than what the majority views as correct for their society.

And not to mention this is all for your flawed perception of what society should look like.

How is my perception flawed?
It is socialists who are pushing through their twisted priority's onto society, ones we don't want, and are not allowed to object to.

[Anmon]

[=Tycoon;494299]Do explain how being gay is a perversion? And don't tell me you haven't kissed anybody in public. Maybe I don't want to see that, I don't want you doing that in my face.

I see homosexuality as a perversion, as in like a mental illness, a default setting gone wrong early in childhood, or probably even the womb, it just spells clearly out loud, confused.

Besides, in my opinion you're the biggest kind of sleezebag there is. Prove me wrong.

lol I am not a sleezebag, I treat women with respect.

[Tycoon]

Well to say the obvious, the point is what your marching about here, not is marching bad.

And why is it bad to march for equal rights?

I'm not deciding anything, I am just one of many voicing my concern on the path our society has taken, in pandering to minority's rights as having equal if not more so importance than what the majority views as correct for their society.

As I have said, the rights of minorities need to be protected, regardless of what the majority thinks. You could give me no good reason to deny gay marriage.

How is my perception flawed?

Your argument is that gays are all sleezebags... how is it not flawed?

[Tycoon]

I see homosexuality as a perversion, as in like a mental illness, a default setting gone wrong early in childhood, or probably even the womb, it just spells clearly out loud, confused.

It has been proven that homosexuality is not a mental illness, and there's certainly no reason to call it "perversion". Not to mention I can assure you gays are not "confused", our feelings come as naturally as yours.

Lol I am not a sleezebag, I treat women with respect.

And you're saying that gays don't? If you say gays are sleezebags you have to have a reason.

[Anmon]

[=Tycoon;494300]The entire argument in favor of male and female role models is flawed.

Thats not what nature says, are you saying nature is somehow flawed?

There is no necessity for a male and a female role model. What is the job of parents? To prepare their child to go out and live their own life by teaching them good values, how to make a living, and how to run a home.

And the best way to ensure that happens is male and female role models from birth to adulthood.

There is no reason to suggest that gays have poor values. Believe it or not gays need money to and work at jobs. And last but not least, gays make dinner and clean their dirty underwear, they know how to run a home.

A gay home, thats not ideal for children to grow up in

So I fail to see what aspect of parenting a child misses out on by having gay parents.

The other sex's influence perhaps?

[Tycoon]

ts not what nature says, are you saying nature is somehow flawed?

Homosexual feelings occur just as naturally as heterosexual feelings. There is no necessity for a male and a female role model.

And the best way to ensure that happens is male and female role models from birth to adulthood.

Why? Why can't it be a man and a man? Or a female and female? The same things are there, just with different people.

A gay home, thats not ideal for children to grow up in.

Because you say so? You have to have a reason. We're not here to debate your unsubstantiated feelings.

The other sex's influence perhaps?

What, because they don't have a mom or a dad means that they won't understand females or males at all? They will have other role-models. If you're trying to suggest that the children of gays become gay themselves then you're wrong.

[Anmon]

[=Tycoon;494303]And you are basing this on what?

A recent event in San Diego is a good example-

YouTube - Gay Agenda Hijacks Baseball Over the Kids

not to mention the countless gay events celebrating specifically their sexuality above all else, need you even ask?

So are you suggesting that our differences should not be tolerated?

Not if their being pushed down our throats, and no one can object to the slightest aspect of them without fear of being branded a homophobe, racist etc.

Are you suggesting that minorities should not be protected?

To a degree, but not upheld as a sacred untouchable cow above criticism- see above.

Maybe the majority doesn't like you because you like pears instead of apples. So now you're not allowed to eat pears anymore, you're only allowed to eat apples.

So eat your pears in secret.