Homosexual Marriage

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt That goes back to assuming homosexuals are, by definition and nature, worse citizens than heterosexuals. I really think you need more proof before you can make such a bold statement. Solid numbers would be a good place to start.

Not worse, just not suited to be parents of children or marry each other, as heterosexual couples would.
My statement is far from bold, its a belief thats been upheld all over the world by most people for thousands of years, all you have to draw on is forty recent years of society being turned on its head by social engineers, saying everything we thought before was wrong, well if it was so wrong, how did we advance so far then?

[ShadowFox]

Anmon, have you heard of the One Night Stand? The thing is, both hetero and homosexuals can easily find a sexual partner. I've seen condom dispensers in restrooms. Heck, you can even get condoms at my schools counseling office. The thins is, it's easily available for both sexual orientations.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt That goes back to assuming homosexuals are, by definition and nature, worse citizens than heterosexuals.

Back to this, in some ways they are, they are lovers of sleeze and indulgence, and make no apology's for it, and in other ways they are as good as anyone else, my concern but is their sexual traits are being pushed by socialists in our country's as norms for everyone else, when there not.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Anmon Not worse, just not suited to be parents of children or marry each other, as heterosexual couples would. My statement is far from bold, its a belief thats been upheld all over the world by most people for thousands of years, all you have to draw on is forty recent years of society being turned on its head by social engineers, saying everything we thought before was wrong, well if it was so wrong, how did we advance so far then?

But isn't that what you've been saying all this time? Homosexuals by definition are bad people. This makes them ill-suited to do anything, including function in society. Therefore, they shouldn't be parents or couples. The specific things you've said - all of them revolve around homosexuals, specifically, being immoral. I think you need to seriously reevaluate that thought but at least try to find some numbers to back this statement up. I wouldn't just accept this statement without any solid proof that homosexuals are just plain worse people. In addition, like I said, I still think that tolerance would be instilled in children who have gay parents. It'd be like having a parent that was blind or disabled in some other manner, you'd probably learn to be more tolerant of people because you personally know someone who's not the same as everyone else. I don't imagine that it would cause any serious issues.

[ShadowFox]

Who told you all of this? Seriously, it astounds me that such opinions on this matter exist. Really, i'd say straight men are more sleazy than gay men. Think about it.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Anmon, have you heard of the One Night Stand? The thing is, both hetero and homosexuals can easily find a sexual partner. I've seen condom dispensers in restrooms. Heck, you can even get condoms at my schools counseling office. The thins is, it's easily available for both sexual orientations.

Yes, but this is I believe become much more common place with hetero couples because of socialists pushing through gay'isms for want of a better word, onto mainstream society.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Who told you all of this? Seriously, it astounds me that such opinions on this matter exist. Really, i'd say straight men are more sleazy than gay men. Think about it.

Have, and yeah go to a gaybar mate, and yeah..

[ShadowFox]

Go to a normal bar and you find heterosexuals hitting on each other. Why? Because thats man's nature.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Anmon Have, and yeah go to a gaybar mate, and yeah..

well.. in a gay bar, everyone is gay. I'm sure someone would hit on you because they think you're gay. Could you be a woman, go into a straight bar, and not possibly expect the same thing? It could just as easily be possible.

[Jack]

These stereotypical characterizations of gays sound like they came straight from Jerry Falwell's playbook. They certainly aren't based on reality.

Many gay people lived as straights for a fair portion of their lives, marrying and having children. I know quite a few who either have or share custody of their children with the mother or play an active role in their children's lives even though the mother has custody. Many lesbians are mothers. Who in the real world thinks being gay has anything to do with the ability to be a parent?

My statement is far from bold, its a belief thats been upheld all over the world by most people for thousands of years, all you have to draw on is forty recent years of society being turned on its head by social engineers, saying everything we thought before was wrong, well if it was so wrong, how did we advance so far then?

We have advanced further in the last 50 years than perhaps ever before in our country's history. With the above attitude, we shouldn't use our computers. No one had personal computers 50 years ago. How did we advance so far without them? If not having computers was good enough for past generations, why have them now?

Society isn't stagnant. It evolves as new challenges and opportunities present themselves. There will always be those who can't adapt, can't adjust to change. They cling to the past as though somehow, by sheer will, they can keep progression at bay. People like that quickly become irrelevant to a dynamic society.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt But isn't that what you've been saying all this time? Homosexuals by definition are bad people.

No, I never said that gay people are just basically bad people, quote me If I have.

This makes them ill-suited to do anything, including function in society.

If you go back and care to look instead of just making stuff up, I said gay people are not suited for bringing up children or marrying like heterosexual couples do, I also said they can do alot of things just as well as any one else can, so that makes what you just supposedly quoted me as saying, which I didn't say, without a proper quote even I might add, a deliberate lie on your part.

Therefore, they shouldn't be parents or couples. The specific things you've said - all of them revolve around homosexuals, specifically, being immoral. I think you need to seriously reevaluate that thought but at least try to find some numbers to back this statement up.

lol OK just go on YouTube and look at all the pride marches and sleezeballs all over the world in every western city, not to mention new great things like gayday at disneyland, wher you can take your family on a great saved up holiday and then find yourself surrounded by sleezy gays kissing and rubbing each other, great holiday for the kids!
I don't need to evaluate anything, gays are way over the top with their sexuality, especially if they know its going to cause offense.

I wouldn't just accept this statement without any solid proof that homosexuals are just plain worse people.

That wasn't my point, as I have already shown above.

In addition, like I said, I still think that tolerance would be instilled in children who have gay parents.

Tolerance is usually guided by what the parents approve of themselves, or used to be anyway.
Its up to the majority to decide what society should tolerate and what it shouldn't, not agenda pressing minority's.

It'd be like having a parent that was blind or disabled in some other manner, you'd probably learn to be more tolerant of people because you personally know someone who's not the same as everyone else. I don't imagine that it would cause any serious issues.

Exactly not the same as everyone else, by this admission you are equating gay marriage etc as not the norm for society, and therefore we don't have to accept it as equal to our marriages, as we don't have to accept gay family's as normal by law either.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Go to a normal bar and you find heterosexuals hitting on each other. Why? Because thats man's nature.

There is a lot more sexual perversion going on with gay meeting places but, my concern anyway is not gays meeting up and having sex I honestly don't care, as long as its not in my face somewhere in public, my concern is their values in regard to this are being pushed into the rest of society making it more sleezy.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Anmon No, I never said that gay people are just basically bad people, quote me If I have. If you go back and care to look instead of just making stuff up, I said gay people are not suited for bringing up children or marrying like heterosexual couples do, I also said they can do alot of things just as well as any one else can, so that makes what you just supposedly quoted me as saying, which I didn't say, without a proper quote even I might add, a deliberate lie on your part. lol OK just go on YouTube and look at all the pride marches and sleezeballs all over the world in every western city, not to mention new great things like gayday at disneyland, wher you can take your family on a great saved up holiday and then find yourself surrounded by sleezy gays kissing and rubbing each other, great holiday for the kids! I don't need to evaluate anything, gays are way over the top with their sexuality, especially if they know its going to cause offense. That wasn't my point, as I have already shown above. Tolerance is usually guided by what the parents approve of themselves, or used to be anyway. Its up to the majority to decide what society should tolerate and what it shouldn't, not agenda pressing minority's. Exactly not the same as everyone else, by this admission you are equating gay marriage etc as not the norm for society, and therefore we don't have to accept it as equal to our marriages, as we don't have to accept gay family's as normal by law either.

Uh, you've been saying they're the root of sleaze and the most promiscuous people ever. I'd say that's defined as "bad".

To your Disneyland comment, I think I could also youtube videos showing homosexuals rubbing each other. This isn't a homosexual-isolated thing.

I'm only saying that it would only create more tolerance.

Lastly, I'm saying it would show people that there're people different than ourselves and the norm of society. This makes them different, yes, but I don't think it changes their ability to marry.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt well.. in a gay bar, everyone is gay. I'm sure someone would hit on you because they think you're gay. Could you be a woman, go into a straight bar, and not possibly expect the same thing? It could just as easily be possible.

no a lot of straight women go there too, in my country anyway.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Anmon There is a lot more sexual perversion going on with gay meeting places but, my concern anyway is not gays meeting up and having sex I honestly don't care, as long as its not in my face somewhere in public, my concern is their values in regard to this are being pushed into the rest of society making it more sleezy.

You continually go back to this idea of homosexuals being more sleazy when there's just really no proof of it. Heterosexuals can be just as sleazy as homosexuals and there's no proof that overall, homosexuals are more sleazy. You need numbers to back this up. There's no other way to validate such a statement.

[Hurt]

erk. I was confused.

[Anmon]

I'll be back after.

[ShadowFox]

no a lot of straight women go there too, in my country anyway.

Maybe the want to get away from some of the men in the normal bars who keep hitting on them.

Also, might want to fix that typo Hurt.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Halofan48 Maybe the want to get away from some of the men in the normal bars who keep hitting on them. Also, might want to fix that typo Hurt.

er, I think I just misinterpreted his statement.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Hurt Uh, you've been saying they're the root of sleaze and the most promiscuous people ever. I'd say that's defined as "bad".

For the third time, I said this was a bad trait of theres, I also said that gays were just as good as other people in a lot of other areas,

To your Disneyland comment, I think I could also youtube videos showing heterosexuals(sp) rubbing each other. This isn't a homosexual-isolated thing.

I would see that as just as bad if it was in disneyland or around kids anywhere, but the promotion of gaydays where people take their family's is political correctness and social engineering gone mad.

Lastly, I'm saying it would show people that there're people different than ourselves and the norm of society. This makes them different, yes, but I don't think it changes their ability to marry.

Were well aware of that already, and shoving it down our throats as something we must accept whether we like it or not, is eventually going to one day backfire on gays.