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Kleekl · Feb 17, 2008, 11:39 am

People with a riligion should accapt that the world issn't revolving around them. If we would have to accept all the rules of all riligions, just think how the world would look. Woman would be totally p0wnt, they wouldn't have right to vote, wouldn't be able to show skin, wouldn't be able to work or produce thoughts of there own. Freedom of speech would be crushed, since the bible says not to question god. Rock music and rap music would probably be banned and a lot of people with great sence of humor would probably be put to death. Things like lord of the rings and harry potter, the simspons, south park would be banned. All science bookes would be burned, and we wouldn't be able to eat pork anymore. Every picture with a pork will be burned. Everyone crossing the law will be punished by the whip.

But the time of riligion is comming to an end, the world is growing up.
So people should be able to do what they want, it's their body and life.

Winter wind · Feb 17, 2008, 12:05 pm

Tycoon is going to want to see this (Dr. Grammar)

Maryjane · Feb 17, 2008, 01:00 pm

The point gunz was trying to make (with his hit and run post) didn't escape anyone. We all know he was trying convey kids are better off being raised in a family by two "normal" heterosexual parents and that being raised by gay parents will somehow warp a child's mind.

There are 121 pages in this thread about gay marriage. If gunz had bothered to read page one, in post #34 the originator of the OP stated:

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Homos having children is a different subject that I do not choose to debate here.

Homosexual Marriage

WW...Gunz is a troll.

Tycoon · Feb 17, 2008, 07:32 pm

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People with a religion should accept that the world doesn't revolve around them. If we had to accept all the rules of all religions, just think what the world would look like. Woman wouldn't have right to vote, wouldn't be able to show skin, and wouldn't be able to work or produce thoughts of their own. Freedom of speech would be gone, since the bible says not to question God. Rock music and rap music would probably be banned and a lot of people with great sense of humor would probably be put to death. Entertainment like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, the Simspons, and South Park would all be banned. All the science books would be burned, and we wouldn't be able to eat pork anymore. Every picture with a pork would be burned. Everyone crossing the law would be punished by the whip.

But the time of religion is coming to an end, and the world is growing up.
People should be able to do what they want, it's their body and life.

Winter wind was right, and I have my ego to keep. I corrected all the mistakes.

Winter wind · Feb 18, 2008, 05:31 am

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Winter wind was right, and I have my ego to keep. I corrected all the mistakes.

...Tycoon, have you ever consider doing something with that free time, like getting a life or something?

ShadowFox · Feb 18, 2008, 05:55 am

And the point of that comment was? are you bored Winter? no good debates going on?

Winter wind · Feb 18, 2008, 08:56 am

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And the point of that comment was? are you bored Winter? no good debates going on?

I was kidding! A joke to lighten the atmosphere...(I'm so unloved...)

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 11:08 am

This is sort of difficult for me. I like leaving people alone with their opinions, and most Christians feel strongly that marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. They always have, and probably always will.

Personally.. I don't give a crap if two men, or two women want to get married. But to be respectful to a group's beliefs, there could always be an alternative ceremony in which the couple was "married" but not .. in the Christian sense? Though hopefully still recognized as a "bound" couple by the Government and whatnot.

Then of course you have Christian gays, and yadayada.

.. I dunno. ^_^

**Jack** · Feb 18, 2008, 11:20 am

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But to be respectful to a group's beliefs, there could always be an alternative ceremony in which the couple was "married" but not .. in the Christian sense?

Do only Christians get married? Did Christians invent marriage? If non-Christians are getting married, wouldn't that indicate that marriage is more than just a Christian ceremony? Christians are the only people who get married "in the Christian sense". What about everyone else?

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 11:23 am

I think Christians believe that marriage is a religious affair.

I'm not saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry.. I was simply trying to find an alternative.. :/

**Jack** · Feb 18, 2008, 11:26 am

Christians are free to think what they want about their own marriages. But they are not free to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. As long as a gay couple isn't asking to be married in a church, what makes Christians think they can demand that couple abide by their beliefs?

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 11:33 am

I know better than most that people's views shouldn't be forced on someone who doesn't want to hear it. I guess I was trying to make both sides happy - something that will never be accomplished.

If I had to sit there and choose "legalize it or not," I'd definitely vote for legalizing it. I'm all about the "if it doesn't hurt anyone else.." idea.

**Jack** · Feb 18, 2008, 11:38 am

If you're trying to be fair you shouldn't presume that some people ignore religious views simply because they "don't want to hear them". Many of us don't believe there's any reason to presume they represent reality. I could just as easily presume Christians ignore non-believers because we say things they don't want to hear.

Marriage is a social custom. Our society is not exclusively Christian. It's really that simple.

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 11:47 am

I'm sorry, so I can assume you enjoy listening to preaching, and ranting at how you should be Christian? Because that IS what I was referring to, in a somewhat thoughtful, sarcastic sense in memory of my own failed conversions.

I'm confused.. because we pretty much have the same opinion. I'm just not as.. forceful?

Maybe I should have worded myself differently, because I was agreeing with you, if you thought I was saying something different?

I believe everyone has the right to love, live, and marry whomever they choose, regardless of their gender.

There. Cleared up, are we? :)

**Jack** · Feb 18, 2008, 11:50 am

Well, it is a debate forum. I was just debating some points I disagreed with. Glad we could agree on this "important" topic that politicians are using to distract the public from the real issues facing our nation.

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 11:57 am

Like.. our lack of nationwide healthcare.. and the War on Terror.. Bleh..

Or!

The fact that Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia killed the dinosaurs.

Oh. Or this. :| YouTube - Crazy Christian lady goes nuts in coffee shop

Winter wind · Feb 18, 2008, 12:22 pm

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Oh. Or this. :| YouTube - Crazy Christian lady goes nuts in coffee shop

Ya she has an IQ of like 4. And a maturity level to put her IQ to shame.

However I kinda do disagree in the sense that your suggestion sounds like "seperate but equal" which is fine as a starting point, but you have to move on from that eventually.

edit: oh and because I'm insecure and a hypocrite, I need to tell the new comer that I'm not gay, just bad at super smash brothers (it's how I ended up with the avatar. Long story)

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 12:26 pm

I suppose I've argued enough about it, that I'm looking more to a compromise, instead of continuing to try and convince Christians that homosexuality is normal, and shouldn't be seen as "immoral."

Winter wind · Feb 18, 2008, 12:37 pm

Hey, I'm Christian. So I try and use scripture to argue my point (I have the hard side.)

MariKine · Feb 18, 2008, 12:39 pm

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Hey, I'm Christian. So I try and use scripture to argue my point (I have the hard side.)

What's funny is.. I agree, you do have the hard side. =P

View Poll Results: In my opinion, homosexual marriage is
A civil rights issue. Anyone should be able to marry anyone	349	44.97%
A distraction from the real issues of government	92	11.86%
An unacceptable redefinition of a traditional concept	79	10.18%
Morally wrong since homosexuality is morally wrong	103	13.27%
A private matter between the couple and their minister	67	8.63%
Other-I will explain below	60	7.73%
A celebration of diversity	26	3.35%
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Feb 17, 2008, 12:05 pm	#4822 (permalink) (top)
Winter wind Never mad Location: Hong Kong, China Posts: 1,877	Tycoon is going to want to see this (Dr. Grammar) Don't forget this is all in good fun! "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." Albert Einstein "The devil is in the details" -?

Feb 18, 2008, 05:55 am	#4826 (permalink) (top)
ShadowFox Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 1,836	And the point of that comment was? are you bored Winter? no good debates going on? Knowledge is power, use it well. Don't fear the unknown, seek to understand it Formerly Halofan48 Fun game!!!

Feb 18, 2008, 11:08 am	#4828 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	This is sort of difficult for me. I like leaving people alone with their opinions, and most Christians feel strongly that marriage is a religious bond between a man and a woman. They always have, and probably always will. Personally.. I don't give a crap if two men, or two women want to get married. But to be respectful to a group's beliefs, there could always be an alternative ceremony in which the couple was "married" but not .. in the Christian sense? Though hopefully still recognized as a "bound" couple by the Government and whatnot. Then of course you have Christian gays, and yadayada. .. I dunno. ^_^ "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 18, 2008, 11:23 am	#4830 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	I think Christians believe that marriage is a religious affair. I'm not saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry.. I was simply trying to find an alternative.. :/ "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 17, 2008, 11:39 am	#4821 (permalink) (top)
Kleekl Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	People with a riligion should accapt that the world issn't revolving around them. If we would have to accept all the rules of all riligions, just think how the world would look. Woman would be totally p0wnt, they wouldn't have right to vote, wouldn't be able to show skin, wouldn't be able to work or produce thoughts of there own. Freedom of speech would be crushed, since the bible says not to question god. Rock music and rap music would probably be banned and a lot of people with great sence of humor would probably be put to death. Things like lord of the rings and harry potter, the simspons, south park would be banned. All science bookes would be burned, and we wouldn't be able to eat pork anymore. Every picture with a pork will be burned. Everyone crossing the law will be punished by the whip. But the time of riligion is comming to an end, the world is growing up. So people should be able to do what they want, it's their body and life.

Feb 18, 2008, 11:26 am	#4831 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,180	Christians are free to think what they want about their own marriages. But they are not free to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. As long as a gay couple isn't asking to be married in a church, what makes Christians think they can demand that couple abide by their beliefs? The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Feb 18, 2008, 11:33 am	#4832 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	I know better than most that people's views shouldn't be forced on someone who doesn't want to hear it. I guess I was trying to make both sides happy - something that will never be accomplished. If I had to sit there and choose "legalize it or not," I'd definitely vote for legalizing it. I'm all about the "if it doesn't hurt anyone else.." idea. "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 18, 2008, 11:38 am	#4833 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,180	If you're trying to be fair you shouldn't presume that some people ignore religious views simply because they "don't want to hear them". Many of us don't believe there's any reason to presume they represent reality. I could just as easily presume Christians ignore non-believers because we say things they don't want to hear. Marriage is a social custom. Our society is not exclusively Christian. It's really that simple. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Feb 18, 2008, 11:47 am	#4834 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	I'm sorry, so I can assume you enjoy listening to preaching, and ranting at how you should be Christian? Because that IS what I was referring to, in a somewhat thoughtful, sarcastic sense in memory of my own failed conversions. I'm confused.. because we pretty much have the same opinion. I'm just not as.. forceful? Maybe I should have worded myself differently, because I was agreeing with you, if you thought I was saying something different? I believe everyone has the right to love, live, and marry whomever they choose, regardless of their gender. There. Cleared up, are we? :) "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 18, 2008, 11:50 am	#4835 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,180	Well, it is a debate forum. I was just debating some points I disagreed with. Glad we could agree on this "important" topic that politicians are using to distract the public from the real issues facing our nation. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Feb 18, 2008, 11:57 am	#4836 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	Like.. our lack of nationwide healthcare.. and the War on Terror.. Bleh.. Or! The fact that Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia killed the dinosaurs. Oh. Or this. :\| YouTube - Crazy Christian lady goes nuts in coffee shop "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 18, 2008, 12:26 pm	#4838 (permalink) (top)
MariKine Mass of Awesomness Location: Texas. Posts: 72	I suppose I've argued enough about it, that I'm looking more to a compromise, instead of continuing to try and convince Christians that homosexuality is normal, and shouldn't be seen as "immoral." "... I don't know which will go first -- rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon.

Feb 18, 2008, 12:37 pm	#4839 (permalink) (top)
Winter wind Never mad Location: Hong Kong, China Posts: 1,877	Hey, I'm Christian. So I try and use scripture to argue my point (I have the hard side.) Don't forget this is all in good fun! "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." Albert Einstein "The devil is in the details" -?