Homosexual Marriage

[italiangm]

Quote by: texasdave Homosexual couples should not adopt. That is just a way for them to convert straights into gays. They are sometimes quite aggressive about that.

Please produce one valid scintilla of evidence to support your assertion. I dare you.

[Vivid]

Quote by: texasdave It's a little jab. Not a real point. Keeps things fun.

I don't find those kinds of illogical pointless jabs to be fun. It looks to me like you are intentionally having fun at someone else's expense. It occurs to me to mention that these jabs may not be fun for anyone but you.

Quote by: texasdave Homosexual couples should not adopt. That is just a way for them to convert straights into gays.

Lol! You seem to think that the main goal of homosexuals is to convince everyone else to go homo. This statement appears very superstitious to me. Consider how much work it would take to raise a child (about a million dollars and 18 years of being on call 24/7) versus the "benefit" you would receive from that (convincing ONE person to become gay). The cost benefit ratio is completely ludicrous. No one in their right mind or even in their wrong mind would do something that costly and futile. Even Satan himself, if he exists, is more intelligent than to waste his minions, causing them to spend 18 years convincing one person to turn gay. Imagine what Satan could do with a million dollars and 18 years of 24/7 devotion. Surely, he could cause far more damage.

If homosexuals were Satan-inspired, they would be far more effective than that at spreading homosexuality, hahahahaha!

Somewhere, a gay person is unhappy right now because just like you or anyone else, he wants a child. But he is not allowed to have one, because of ludicrous and superstitious beliefs like the one above. What is more evil? Being gay, or depriving a human of the right to adopt? If being gay is a sin, and we are all sinners, then you, as a sinner, have no more right to a child than a gay, as you might teach the child your sinful ways!

[texasdave]

Homosexuals can have children God's way, by having sex with someone of the opposite sex. They should not be allowed to adopt. I used to hang around many gay people when I was in my sinning days. They do recruit. They publicly deny it but they privately admit it. I have witnessed it many times. I have heard homosexuals say, " How do you know you won't like it until you try it?" That has been said to me when I was in my 20"s numerous times. They actively recruit. In the gay community it is considered a badge of honor to " get a straight guy"

[italiangm]

Quote by: texasdave Homosexuals can have children God's way, by having sex with someone of the opposite sex. They should not be allowed to adopt. I used to hang around many gay people when I was in my sinning days. They do recruit. They publicly deny it but they privately admit it. I have witnessed it many times. I have heard homosexuals say, " How do you know you won't like it until you try it?" That has been said to me when I was in my 20"s numerous times. They actively recruit. In the gay community it is considered a badge of honor to " get a straight guy"

So, in the 'recruitment' scenario above, how many recipients actually took the 'recruiter' up on their 'offer'?

I have more. I just wanna hear what kind of answer you dream up first.

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: italiangm So, in the 'recruitment' scenario above, how many recipients actually took the 'recruiter' up on their 'offer'?

Not to cut off Dave's assuredly fascinating answer, but I kissed a gay friend in college. Didn't really do much for me, not being gay and all. I have also known women who have kissed gay men; mysteriously, the men remained gay afterwards.

How very odd. Almost like . . . sexual orientation is not a choice.

[megadeth425]

Homosexuals can have children God's way, by having sex with someone of the opposite sex. They should not be allowed to adopt. I used to hang around many gay people when I was in my sinning days. They do recruit. They publicly deny it but they privately admit it. I have witnessed it many times. I have heard homosexuals say, " How do you know you won't like it until you try it?" That has been said to me when I was in my 20"s numerous times. They actively recruit. In the gay community it is considered a badge of honor to " get a straight guy"

I know many gay guys, and I'm also active in a forum with a fairly active GLBT population, many of whom are constantly on the chat room, and I have yet to see one of them try and recruit me or anyone else, or pull the "you haven't tried it" line. Also, you talk about recruiting. What about religious groups who go door-to-door trying to convert people? I don't see any gay guys going door to door handing out pamphlets titled "The Glory of Manlove".

[Jubloz]

Quote by: texasdave They actively recruit. In the gay community it is considered a badge of honor to " get a straight guy"

Hmm, the supposedly "straight guy" probably was hiding the fact that he wasn't straight after all, huh?

[texasdave]

Megadeath,
No, gays don't go door to door they have parades. Mass advertising.

[Jack]

Wouldn't it make sense that every child of a gay couple would also be gay, if the above nonsense held an ounce of reality? Yet the children of gays are overwhelmingly straight, just like children of straight parents or one parent.

Gays don't recruit because they know better than anyone that being gay is not a choice. They do, however, attempt to flirt and get even straight guys and girls to at least try behaving like a gay. That's just human nature, the age old desire to get laid.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Isherwood Gays don't recruit because they know better than anyone that being gay is not a choice. They do, however, attempt to flirt and get even straight guys and girls to at least try behaving like a gay. That's just human nature, the age old desire to get laid.

I was waiting on texasdave's response to see if he had the intelligence to come to the same conclusion, but thanks for providing the answer. With this bit of education, perhaps he'll be able to grasp the difference..

[Matts]

Quote by: texasdave Homosexuals can have children God's way, by having sex with someone of the opposite sex. They should not be allowed to adopt.

Homosexual men are making their own biological children with women (who are often themselves homosexual). Gay men donate sperm to women and women use it to fertilize their eggs. No heterosexual intercourse is required. This is having children nature's way.

Disallowing adoption for homosexual couples will not change the fact that homosexual individuals will continue to have children of their own through arrangements outside the homosexual relationship. These children can then be raised by their biological homosexual father and mother on a joint custody basis.

Homosexual men and women have children and will continue to have children whether adoption is allowed or not.

I should also like to remind you that some men and women who currently live in a homosexual relationship have had children in a previous, heterosexual relationship. Their children continue to be their children even after the heterosexual relationship has ended and they have entered into a homosexual relationship. There is no anti-adoption law that could ever change this.

[Maryjane]

Both my boys wait tables for a living. Sometimes the younger one gets hit on by young gay men. He's a bit unsure how to handle the situation. "Mom, What is it about me that makes them think I'm gay?"

Well, you are nice looking and you have a great personality. Can you blame them? How do they know you aren't interested unless they flirt? Just be yourself and politely decline the offer if the advances aren't wanted. Would it be any different if it was anyone else flirting with you and you weren't interested?

My other son takes it all in stride. He's the one that's always had the gifted sense of social skills. He's an equal opportunity employer when it comes to an ego boost. And if kidding around will increase his tips, he's all over it.
Just as I suspected. It's human nature, not some diabolical plan to destroy all of humanity.:)

Tex,
What's sad about this thread is yout transparent thinking. I make the suggestion that being gay is a choice in a sarcastic manner and you start a thread on it. You have yet to come up with a sensible argument why gays should not be allowed to marry.

I suspect you had a sexual encounter in your youth and you are still feeling "icky" about it. Am I correct in my thinking?

My dad confided that the reason he could not watch the movie Broke Back Mountain was because of an encounter in his past. He too is prejudiced against homosexuals. I had to explain that what happened to him was not a homosexual encounter. What happened was the act of a pedophile. An 18 year old man trying to take advantage of an 11 year old boy and he should not confuse the two.

Even if you did have a gay experience, so what? No one is judging you. Least of all us.

[texasdave]

Maryjane,
I have never had a homosexual experience. I have never even been tempted in that direction. Although when I was younger in the 80's gays were starting to come out of the closet and I was certainly given ample opportunity if I'd wanted to try homosexuality. Like your sons I waited tables and bartended. There are a lot of gays in the service industry. There really is some truth to the stereotypes of gay hairdressers and florists.LOL Many of my friends were gay men and lesbians. I have dated several bi-sexual women. Even lived with one for a year. But many of my friends from that time are dead now. Drug abuse, AIDS, Hepatitis, liver disease from alcohol. One from suicide. They call them "gay" but most of my homosexual friends were not happy. And not because their behavior was not acceptable but because they just could not make most of their relationships work.

[Maryjane]

Tex,

I have never had a homosexual experience.

OK, fair enough.

I have never even been tempted in that direction.

I was certainly given ample opportunity if I'd wanted to try homosexuality.

Many of my friends were gay men and lesbians.

By your own admittance, we can determine that having gay friends and being given ample opportunites to experiment or engage in homosexual activites will not tempt someone to act upon them or cause them to be gay unless it is in their nature. Can we agree to that?



So therefore, we can dispell the following misconceptions that you posted earlier:

Homosexual couples should not adopt. That is just a way for them to convert straights into gays. They are sometimes quite aggressive about that.

and

No, gays don't go door to door they have parades. Mass advertising.

Like your sons I waited tables and bartended. There are a lot of gays in the service industry. There really is some truth to the stereotypes of gay hairdressers and florists.LOL

I was talking about the customers. Don't look now, but there are gays every where!

And not because their behavior was not acceptable but because they just could not make most of their relationships work.

Since we are both of the same age, I can assure you, there are a LOT of heretosexuals that could not make their relationships work. Want to know what we call them?

DIVORCED!

[italiangm]

Quote by: texasdave But many of my friends from that time are dead now. Drug abuse, AIDS, Hepatitis, liver disease from alcohol. One from suicide. They call them "gay" but most of my homosexual friends were not happy. And not because their behavior was not acceptable but because they just could not make most of their relationships work.

Let me buy you a clue, son.

Society doesn't support or approve dating among gay teens like it does for hetero teens. For the most part, gay teens never get to participate in this important socialization process/ritual and most parents aren't receptive to their gay child's feelings, if they're aware of them at all.

In the case of gay boys, some find other outlets to vent their frustration and raging hormones, which explains why drug experimentation, anonymous sex, and STDs are so common.

Delayed emotional maturation should be no surprise either, since the dating process doesn't exist until gay teens escape parental control. Unfortunately, accumulated emotional deficits can interfere with school and/or work as a young gay adult "catches up" to their hetero contemporaries.

If they choose to focus on school/work, then emotional development of close personal relationships is further delayed. Having no practical experience, young gay adults enter the dating pool with years of pent-up, idealized fantasies of what dating, romance and intimacy should be like. They develop expectations based on those beliefs, many of which are unrealistic, and act on them.

There wouldn't be so many emotional problems among gayfolk if society acknowledged its contribution to the problem. Many dismiss the teen dating issue claiming gay people should stop acting like victims. Yet, these same people (like yourself) are quick to complain that homosexuals recruit teens when they're young, impressionable bundles of raging hormones.

The level of denial in these matters is, well, breathtaking.

[megadeth425]

Megadeath, No, gays don't go door to door they have parades. Mass advertising.

They're called Gay Pride parades. As in defying social conventions and putting their homosexuality out there. They aren't Gay Recruiting parades with floats hanging banners with messages like "Be gay, all the cool kids are doing it".

[Jack]

Homosexuals can have children God's way

No thanks, I prefer to build my own. That way I can make sure they're more humane and reasonable than those kids god makes.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: italiangm;394103 [quote Society doesn't support or approve dating among gay teens like it does for hetero teens. For the most part, gay teens never get to participate in this important socialization process/ritual and most parents aren't receptive to their gay child's feelings, if they're aware of them at all.

This is unfortunate. Socialization among teens is a weird process. Lots of them get tossed to the wayside. It's really not like everybody is well-liked, popular, and has a ton of dates waiting in line. I never had a real BF till I got out of HS. When you are in school everybody knows you. They know how smart, not-smart you are. What you looked like before the nosejob. School is a hard place to really develop relationships. You might have some friends, but I'd guess most friends are devloped later. I still have a few friends from HS, but we weren't friends in HS. We met later.

In the case of gay boys, some find other outlets to vent their frustration and raging hormones, which explains why drug experimentation, anonymous sex, and STDs are so common.

The only guys I knew that might have been getting sex were the good-looking popular guys, or the jocks.

Delayed emotional maturation should be no surprise either, since the dating process doesn't exist until gay teens escape parental control. Unfortunately, accumulated emotional deficits can interfere with school and/or work as a young gay adult "catches up" to their hetero contemporaries.

If you have a few good friends I don't think it matters whether you're gay or not. You'll still mature socially. Lots of straight kids have trouble learning to socialize.

If they choose to focus on school/work, then emotional development of close personal relationships is further delayed. Having no practical experience, young gay adults enter the dating pool with years of pent-up, idealized fantasies of what dating, romance and intimacy should be like. They develop expectations based on those beliefs, many of which are unrealistic, and act on them.

You are painting a bleak picture for gays that I'm not sure is totally accurate. We all have scars from maturation, it's part of the process.

There wouldn't be so many emotional problems among gayfolk if society acknowledged its contribution to the problem. Many dismiss the teen dating issue claiming gay people should stop acting like victims. Yet, these same people (like yourself) are quick to complain that homosexuals recruit teens when they're young, impressionable bundles of raging hormones.

People are more receptive of gays now than ever before. I know some older gays that seem like they made it through ok. Lots of straights have emotional problems as well. MO you have to learn to live with the cards you are dealt. It's easy to make excuses, but it's wiser to let them go, and be free.

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe The only guys I knew that might have been getting sex were the good-looking popular guys, or the jocks.

No longer true, which means that the following statement is also a bit off.

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe If you have a few good friends I don't think it matters whether you're gay or not. You'll still mature socially. Lots of straight kids have trouble learning to socialize.

Dating is a large part of the social scene, whether you are adept at it or not. When teenagers get together, the first thing they talk about is dating, as well as the last thing and half the things in between. It just makes it harder when your peers won't accept your romantic situation -- or worse, focus on it to the exclusion of all else, as if you are a fish in a bowl, one who can do a really neat trick.

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe You are painting a bleak picture for gays that I'm not sure is totally accurate. We all have scars from maturation, it's part of the process.

But the point is that as hard as it is for everyone, gays have an added level of difficulty. We all have scars, but gays have a few more.

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe People are more receptive of gays now than ever before. I know some older gays that seem like they made it through ok. Lots of straights have emotional problems as well. MO you have to learn to live with the cards you are dealt. It's easy to make excuses, but it's wiser to let them go, and be free.

Teens are not any more receptive of gays than they have ever been. The few openly homosexual or bisexual students in my high school are constantly mocked, constantly ostracized, constantly teased. I can almost guarantee that watching them has kept some others from coming out, from dealing with their emotions, which leads to the problems italiangm was talking about.

[Maryjane]

Who would know better how it is to grow up gay than a gay person?

We straight folks assume we know how it is for them. It's like someone telling me they understand how I feel because they are divorced. (or worse, they lost their dog):rolleyes: Equivalent to "my sister in law is gay"

Similarities? Yes, the same? No way in hell!

Unless you live it, you have no clue how it affects every aspect of your life. You go to sleep with it and you wake up with it. It's not something you can put on a shelf.