Homosexual Marriage

[italiangm]

Um... you wanna try that in some language that resembles english now?

[weasel]

homosexual marriage is an abomination. It is unatural and unethical to the highest levels of human depravity. The fact that America is even considering allowing this shows me how far we have stooped.

[belverron]

Quote by: weasel homosexual marriage is an abomination. It is unatural [sic] and unethical to the highest levels of human depravity. The fact that America is even considering allowing this shows me how far we have stooped.

That conclusion begs the question, Is homosexuality an abomination? Since this thread doesn't address that issue, it does not, to me, seem appropriate to accept that premise. In the future, perhaps you could make your posts less useless. We're familiar with Leviticus.

"... blaze like meteors and be gay." --Dylan Thomas

Yes, I do use [sic] to be pretentious. What of it?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Rive how is it unethical don't you believe in love? Love doesn't have to do solely with sex you know, and it is not un natural, i see plenty of gay animals in nature. Just the other day i saw two male dogs humping in my nieghbor's yard. Tell me that isn't nature

But dogs can't legally marry. :)

Then again, if a rancher falls in love with his horse and decides he wants to marry, will he have to be given the right too? What about if Michael Jackson falls in love with one of the little boys he has sleeping over at Neverland: will he have to be allowed to marry the boy?

Perhaps you're thinking, "Absurd!" but is it? There was a time when even the thought of homosexual marriage was considered "Absurd!" and not only by religious people.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Rive love has to be mutual for marriage simple as that between two consenting adults, lots of strange things have happened s&m for example homosexuality is much more normal than a sexual fetish, why should someone be descriminated because they are in love with a same sex partner? Shouldn't they receive the same benifits of a straight couple?

Who says the love has to be mutual? Who says that marriage has to be based on love?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Rive I'm saying it should and if you don't think it should be, then what is the problem with homosexual marraige?

Homosexuality is contrary to nature.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Chancellor Homosexuality is contrary to nature.

Perhaps you could explain why behavior contrary to nature has persisted at least as long as recorded history and why such a biological dead-end never managed to adversely affect birth rates.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: weasel homosexual marriage is an abomination. It is unatural and unethical to the highest levels of human depravity. The fact that America is even considering allowing this shows me how far we have stooped.

O.o wtf??

How is it unethical??

Is it their fault they are gay? Is it their fault, religous bigots will insult and degrade them for their own sexuality yet other "differences" that are beyond human control such as perhaps, being a midget, is perfectly ethical? Yet homosexuality isn't?

In my opinion, it is unatural and unethical for you to label someone's love as unethical. And to not even explain yourself or given a reason for your narrow minded crap.

Could you PLEASE explain why you think homosexuality is an abomination that deserves being ridiculed as an unethical, depraved, condition?

Not everyone is like you. Grow up and deal with it.

Love is love. You have no right to call the love of two gay couples an abomination. Escpeically when you haven't explained yourself. Did they choose to be gay? Should they be oppressed under the weight of greedy control freaks who don't like the idea of homosexuality, who think they can stomp all over what is natural to a gay couple, just because they don't think its natural to them?? ><

[Elm]

This whole gay rights marriage thing has gotten out of control.
As for the "Its not their fault they are gay, they cant control it" Standpoint, that is a load of crap they have all the means in the world to control themselves.

Anyone should be able to marry whoever they want, this isnt an issue that should have even sprung up.

As for you bible humping religious fanatics. God does not control the world, it specifically says that in your bible. It says that people are given a choice to obey or disobey God. If you havent figured out by now after hundreds of years of human history, that when someone picks and ideal and stick to it, it wont change.

Its called seperation of church and state (Which is even mentioned in your bible), if you cant get married in church, you go to the state. Churches, get the out of my state's face, and off my city, courtyard's freshly cut grass.

States have no right nor reason to pass laws against gay marriage. Homosexuals will just go next door and get married, and that state doesnt get tax money off the liscense. Do you expect homosexuals to just -leave- because you passed a law? You just lose money.

Im not going to act like there are not homosexual people out there who make their sexuality's case worse as a hole. Demanding a day to your rights that you had to "fight" for is bull. You would have done it even if it was against the law, because you're American.

As for you guys who whine about moving. Leave, noone cares that you whine and fuss about leaving because someone treats you wrong, if you go to someones house, and they point a gun at you, you leave. If all the homosexuals get up and go to another country, we would probably fall into an economic hole reckoned only by the crash in the 30s, thats what you want. In the meantime stop littering threads with your ex patriot propaganda. We know, we've heard you say it 1000 times, take a little break. You will not be missed, there are plenty of underpopulated countries out there for you to populate. Maybe create your own country north of south africa, name it Pieland.

Stop wasting our time with this childish bickering.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Elm As for the "Its not their fault they are gay, they cant control it" Standpoint, that is a load of crap they have all the means in the world to control themselves.

Maybe I misunderstood you. Are you saying gays can or should repress their sexual urges for their entire lives? Why should they?

Quote by: Chancellor Then again, if a rancher falls in love with his horse and decides he wants to marry, will he have to be given the right too? What about if Michael Jackson falls in love with one of the little boys he has sleeping over at Neverland: will he have to be allowed to marry the boy?

That's a pretty pathetic red herring, Chance. We're talking about relations between consenting adults. Children can't consent, and most child molesters - on a percentage basis - are heterosexual. And animals?... well that's just stupid, especially for you. The average gay is just as moral, kind, charitable, hard working and law abiding as you. They were simply born with one physiological difference involving a perfectly natural human physiological function - the sexual urge - which unfortunately happens to carry a lot of cultural moral baggage. That doesn't make them 'abominations'.

Quote by: Chancellor Homosexuality is contrary to nature.

Actually it's not. Read any college biology text.

Quote by: italiangm Perhaps you could explain why behavior contrary to nature has persisted at least as long as recorded history and why such a biological dead-end never managed to adversely affect birth rates.

There it is. Homosexuality has existed in approximately the same percentage of the human population throughout history. Since their inability to reproduce hasn't affected their existance, one might suspect their existance is less contrary to nature than you suggest.

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Could you PLEASE explain why you think homosexuality is an abomination that deserves being ridiculed as an unethical, depraved, condition?

Cuz it's so 'icky'! EEeeeeww...

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[Elm]

Sonart what I meant was that being gay is a choice. You are not "Born Gay" By control I mean the fact that they are gay. Dont blame it one something else by saying its not your fault your gay. You are gay because you like the same sex. Being gay is something done by choice and not circumstancial.

[Jack]

Yeah right, and you know that because...?
When did you choose to be straight, and why exactly did you choose to be so?

[Elm]

Im not saying that your experiences or influences in your life does not affect your sexuality (Such as your parents, bad experiences).

I'm straight because I was raised that way, and because I know gay people, and I have gay friends, and I am just not attracted to that sort of lifestyle. Sexuality is a state of mind and therefore is influenced by the mind and yes your experiences affect your mind and your decision, but any threshold in your mind is crossed by choice, no matter how much it seems you are pushed.

[Jack]

If you want to believe that homosexuality is a choice, then all sexual preference must be a choice. You failed to answer my question. When and why did you choose to be straight.
I have plenty of straight friends, too. Kind of hard to avoid them. Is that supposed to make you appear tolerant? What do they say when you tell them their sexuality is a choice?

[Elm]

I did answer your question, I was raised in a christian family therefore my parents abhorred homosexuality, when I seperated from my parents a little more (around 15 and a half) I began to explore and experiment. I had a choice, there were a group of people I had the oppurtunity to join and I did not take the oppurtunity. So if you are looking for an exact answer, I think it was about march in 2000 when I told my friend I ""Wasnt doing any of that gay ___"" again he said that it was fine, didnt think any differently of him nor him me. (He's married by the way, to a man)
You cannot say that you did not grow up and at a younger age learn that it requires a male and a female to procreate. And that it is generally accepted that the two should marry to take care of the kid, and if you have homosexual married parents, you probably have gotten the same education, except maybe you were taught that "Its okay" to be gay.

Even if you had NazihitlerHomosexual parents, who beat the tar off of you every time you say the word straight. You still knew about it, you saw the boys and girls holding hands at school, you had the choice, even if every word you have heard from birth is Homosexual.

[Jack]

Then you don't understand the difference between homosexual behavior and sexual preference. Anyone can commit homosexual or heterosexual acts. That doesn't make them either.
I'll put it this way; if you had oral sex with a man and a woman, and enjoyed it with the woman and hated it with the man, you're most likely straight. If your enjoyment was the opposite, you're most likely gay. If you couldn't tell the difference, you're a bisexual. If you hated them both, you, my friend, were meant to become a monk. :)

[italiangm]

Quote by: Elm I did answer your question, I was raised in a christian family therefore my parents abhorred homosexuality,

I was raised in a conservative roman catholic italian family during the 50s and had "never to let a man touch you there" pounded into my skull.

Quote by: Elm You cannot say that you did not grow up and at a younger age learn that it requires a male and a female to procreate. And that it is generally accepted that the two should marry to take care of the kid, and if you have homosexual married parents, you probably have gotten the same education, except maybe you were taught that "Its okay" to be gay. Even if you had NazihitlerHomosexual parents, who beat the tar off of you every time you say the word straight. You still knew about it, you saw the boys and girls holding hands at school, you had the choice, even if every word you have heard from birth is Homosexual.

Yet despite the fact that I had hetero parents, 100% hetero programming from birth, successful sexual and emotional dalliances with females, and no outside introduction to homosexuality, I turned out to be gay.

Quote by: Elm when I seperated from my parents a little more (around 15 and a half) I began to explore and experiment. I had a choice, there were a group of people I had the oppurtunity to join and I did not take the oppurtunity. So if you are looking for an exact answer, I think it was about march in 2000 when I told my friend I ""Wasnt doing any of that gay ___"" again he said that it was fine, didnt think any differently of him nor him me. (He's married by the way, to a man).

If you were honest with yourself in these matters, you'd admit your choices were to be an unhappy homosexual, a bisexual who was unhappy half the time, a happier heterosexual, or celibate.

I had the choice to be an unhappy heterosexual, a bisexual who was unhappy half the time, a happier homosexual, or celibate.

I could choose blue contacts to hide my hazel eye coloring, or platsic surgery to alter my classic roman nose, but that's not what I was born with. They'd all be fake.

If you stick to your "everybody chooses" mantra, you'll be technically correct on one issue and wrong on every other aspect of human development.

[caramelnsweet]

I think that the concept of marriage was traditionally a Christian concept. Something that happens between a man and a woman. However it seems that marriage has changed a lot with laws and legalities being placed on it making it an entirely different concept. It is no longer this holy loving union between two people. Well - maybe that was bitter. I guess what I mean is that people don't seem to really believe in marriage but seem to believe in divorce - that if something goes wrong that's their plan B. Anyway - I'm veering off topic again. I think that marriage is a bunch of bull anyway and people should be able to do whatever they please.

[SaintLucifer]

My country is stupid to allow this unnatural act to happen here. Homosexual marriage should be banned outright. If they wish to live together let them. The homosexuals only want marriage legalised for monetary gain. If their 'spouse' dies, they would expect to gain that spouse's pension and insurance. Were they just partners one could never expect to obtain these. This makes the homosexuals hypocrites for hiding their true agenda although I do not believe that many people are stupid enough to fall for this ploy. Why not just be contend with spending their lives together without tying up our legal system? The homosexuals of Canada have cost us millions of dollars. I would demand they only practice their sick lifestyle within their own homes. I would make it law to never allow them to display their sick practices in public for it would be harmful to our children who may see them. Actually I would call for an complete ban of homosexuality outright but this would cause too many problems.

SaintLucifer
The Dark Saint

[Quismo]

Saint Lucifer said: The homosexuals of Canada have cost us millions of dollars.

I request proof for such a heinous accusation.

Furthermore, your gross generalizations of the homosexual community without any factual backing lead me to believe that you are completely ignorant to the topic or are a common idiot. It has been proven that homosexual activity naturally exists in nature. And, the "sick practices" to which you prefer would not be any more harmful to children than heterosexuals participating in the same actions. It is a display of love and peace, something which you are obviously against.