Homosexual Marriage

[fogus]

Make up your mind. Either only the supernatural being can determine what is right or wrong or people are capable of doing this without checking with god. People can see that abuse/murder/incest/rape/lying or cheating are wrong without resorting to the bible. That is because they can see the harm it does to others. Now if you want to contend that two people of the same sex making a life long commitment to each other and living as a family causes harm then make that case. Otherwise resorting to your bible as an argument is no better than me finding some other holy document that says that it is a-okay. No one is saying that anyone must marry the same sex. The funny thing about this is that gays already have families. Nobody appears to be bothered by this. What bothers people is that they want the same treatment under the law as anyone else. Now perhaps this might help you. They are not asking for the same treatment under biblical law. They are asking for the same treatment under federal law. Now perhaps you are confused and think that federal law is biblical law. Well let me straiten you out. The constitution doesn’t mention the bible one time. In fact the only mention it makes of religion is to say that religion should have no say in government and government should have no say in religion. So if you are concerned about gays getting equal treatment under biblical law then you should be talking to your fellow church members about this and make sure that your rabbi, priest, witchdoctor, imam, monk, pastor, shaman, priestess, minister or whatever doesn’t marry gays in your church. Other than that, if they are not trying to stop you from marrying who you want and they are not hurting anyone then it is none of your god damned business.

What is wrong with people getting hurt? Don't give me an effect of people getting hurt, otherwise I will ask you what is wrong with that effect. Your problem is that you have no say in what is right and wrong, because you have nothing outside the natural world to appeal to. Nice try with the “I have a supernatural being in my pocket” thing. He/she/it hasn’t made the grade in my mind, since he/she/it has not answered the fundamental questions that every religion must have. The reason Christianity is widely accepted is that it can satisfy these questions: Where did we come from? What are we doing here? Where are we going?. Christianity has given answers to all of these, which is why it has more credibility than your “being in a pocket”. Also since Canada (where I live) and the USA were build on Biblical principles I think that the Bible should continue to play a leading role in the creation of laws. Just because religion isn't a part of the government doesn’t mean that laws can't be based on the Bible. It just means that the government can't go around telling churches what to do. And I think everyone who is thinking reasonably about this topic will see that our society will change dramatically if same sex marriage becomes legal everywhere. Churches will be pushed into accepting and carrying out same sex weddings. Just like private schools must now accept gay teachers (otherwise it goes against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms) churches will also be forced to perform marriages. I can't prove this, so don't make arguments against me. I am content to say that time will tell.

Every country must have a founding world view. The world view of Christianity was the founding world view of both Canada and the USA. People who are for same sex marriage do not come from the Christian world view (they may think they do, but since the Bible speaks against homosexuality, they are wrong) they come from an atheistic world view. These people cannot answer the “what are we doing here” question to a degree where they can give outlines for the way we ought to live. Atheists are unable to defend moral beliefs objectively because they cannot answer the first question in this post without appealing to an effect.

[trixmix]

Quote by: Chancellor I don't want them to have any kind of rights or benefits (except for some of what we give to people who are disabled): homosexuality is contrary to nature and, thus, is something to be treated not celebrated. It's basic biology: the natural order of things is that male and female mate; male and male do not mate, nor do female and female.

Wow,
How refreshing!
Someone on my side.

[trixmix]

Quote by: Chancellor It still doesn't make it natural or normal. It is an abberration and should be treated as such. Further, I find your comparison of humans to mere animals to be offensive: we humans are NOT animals: we are superior to animals! Further, in humans the BEHAVIOR is chosen (though the underlying unnatural attraction is caused).

True!
There are two ways to look at homosexuality...
1) It is God's divine method of population control.
or
2) It is a birth defect or perhaps-if not born with it, it is an adapted malformation of a normal, instinctual human behavior.

[Starboy]

Religious freaks can't win. If we are not animals then sex is an unnatural act unless you are trying to tell me that the angels and god have sex all the time and if we are animals then it is all natural all the time.

Starboy

[faith]

If they are not hurting you and you havent had to pay for the wedding its nobody's buisness but the 2 people's who love each other,AMEN :)

[FIFI]

Homosexuality is not a "freak" coincidence in human nature, nor a genetic defect. Is your intolerence a genetic defect? Homosexuality IS found in nature, in fact, it is quite common depending on the species. Besides, if everything is made and planned by someone who is divine, then who says that the "God" in question did not make homosexuals the way they are because that is who they are ment to be? Do you know "God"s plans... or is your own fear just hidden behind religion because you are afraid of those you do not understand or necissarily agree with.



Hmmm.. chew on that thought for awhile

[mr.perfecto]

Well, if the evolutionary theory is correct, homosexuality is a trait that has no evolutionary role in the continuance of the species. The fact that it continues to exist despite the fact it has no biological function suggests that it is a self-motivated behavior rather than a natural impulse. Of course, we could also theorize the existence of a supermind controlling the destiny of the human race by the fact that homosexual behavior continues to exist. Which would suggest that homosexual behavior, if it factors into the supermind's plans at all, only does so in a negative manner.

Pretty interesting thought exercises.

mr.perfecto
But you can call me Sherlock..

btw, that should be one's instead of ones

[Starboy]

And thus spoke mr.perfecto. A perfect ToE ignoramous. I suppose your bible has filled you in on ToE and thus you are an expert as to why evolution would not produce homosexual behavior.

Starboy

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Chancellor I don't want them to have any kind of rights or benefits (except for some of what we give to people who are disabled): homosexuality is contrary to nature and, thus, is something to be treated not celebrated. It's basic biology: the natural order of things is that male and female mate; male and male do not mate, nor do female and female.

You could say the same thing about white people.

White people are simply lacking the proper amount of pigment to make them black. As such, they deserve no rights other than what a disabled person gets.

[Suburbanite]

and all of a sudden nature is the maker of our social laws? murder is a function of evolution as well....
dont be so ridiculous.

[Starboy]

In some sense nature is the maker of our social laws unless you want to say that we are unnatural.

Starboy

[tinybear]

U.S. Christians issue gay warning over kid video

By Jill Serjeant
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Christian Conservative groups have issued a gay alert warning over a children's music video starring SpongeBob SquarePants, Barney and a host of other cartoon favorites.

The wacky square yellow SpongeBob is one of the stars of a music video due to be sent to 61,000 U.S. schools in March. The makers -- the nonprofit We Are Family Foundation -- say the video is designed to encourage tolerance and diversity.

But at least two Christian activist groups say the innocent cartoon characters are being exploited to promote the acceptance of homosexuality.

"A short step beneath the surface reveals that one of the differences being celebrated is homosexuality," wrote Ed Vitagliano in an article for the American Family Association.

Full Story: http://channels.netscape.com/ns/tv/s...2024838844.htm

[FIFI]

So what? Its not going to make a child gay to accept other peoples differences. *snort* This is why our school fail, because they really dont promote you to the level needed to function easily as an adult in our society. Your going to have co-workers with (legal) life styles you dont like or participate in yourself. Deal with it.

[mr.perfecto]

Modern schooling fails because it teaches tolerance as meaning acceptance, behavior as being determined by biology rather than concious choice, and that "natural" means "good."

I think it has quite a bit to do with the leftist notion that human beings are naturally good. The idea is cultural suicide.

[tman_ndsu08]

Or, more simply, schools fail because they don't teach children to think for themselves. Rather, they're busy shoving Christian, government, or both agendas down children's throats.

[fogus]

Religious freaks can't win. If we are not animals then sex is an unnatural act unless you are trying to tell me that the angels and god have sex all the time and if we are animals then it is all natural all the time.

Sex is natural for animals and humans. Humans are not equal with animals, nor are they equal with God and the angles. That is what the Bible says about it. Oh, and BTW, God and the angles dont have sex, so don't worry about it.[/quote][quote]

[Starboy]

Quote by: fogus Oh, and BTW, God and the angles dont have sex, so don't worry about it.

Now why on earth would god have sex? He is not having babies now is he? That would not be moral!

Starboy

[fogus]

the nonprofit We Are Family Foundation -- say the video is designed to encourage tolerance

Tolerance has been confused. Tolerance meens to put up with something you know to be wrong.

I think it has quite a bit to do with the leftist notion that human beings are naturally good. The idea is cultural suicide.

Exactly. You take the words from my mouth.

[fogus]

Now why on earth would god have sex? He is not having babies now is he? That would not be moral!

Even if God did have sex he would not do it on earth.

[Starboy]

But I am sure he would be married of course and only have sex so that he could have children. And he would never, never, never have homosexual sex. I suppose you know all this because you receive a monthly copy of PlayGod and check out the pictures all the time.

Starboy