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Paavo · Dec 27, 2003, 02:12 pm

(didn't know in which section this could belong...)

I'm reading Michael Moore's "Stupid white men", and am now at the chapter about US education and it's poor state.
I thought I was used to stuff like this, but one thing blew my mind;

Do companies like Dr Pepper / Pepsi / Coca Cola and others actually "sponsor" schools with materials against advertising and such?
With painting their logo on the rooftop, telling teachers to allow students to drink their products in class, even come with full classes with the info twisted in a favor for their corporate image?

I find this sickening, could someone living in the states tell me if this is true, and if, how widely spread and accepted?

Aequo · Dec 27, 2003, 06:13 pm

I've never heard of that before, but I highly doubt it.

cheesemage · Dec 27, 2003, 06:22 pm

I haven't run into it personally, the closest thing to that I have encountered is a school only using one companies Vending machines.

darwinist · Dec 30, 2003, 12:48 pm

It would not surpise me, if it where true. These companies already do a similiar thing with the American Government.

Freedom can be a dangerous thing. :)

Jan 1, 2004, 07:38 pm

THIS IS BECUASE OF THE UNIONS GOUGING THE TAX PAYER.
ITS BECAUSE OF MISAPPOPRIATION OF MONEY AND BEUROCRATIC EDUCRATS.

LINCOLN WAS POOR AS DIRT AND HE LEARNED TO READ AND WRITE, THEN HOW IS IT THAT POOR KIDS TODAY CANNOT? ITS ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT CLAIM TO BE DOING IT NOT FOR THE MONEY, BUT THEY REALLY ARE, THEY MISPLACE BILLIONS.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS NEED TO BE OVERHAULED AND MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE FIRED.

castille · Jan 2, 2004, 09:40 am

Never seen it happen.

Its actually quite difficult for any corporation to "sponser" a school. A public school is controlled by the government, thus you need to apply to the State government to get permission (which is difficult alone!).

hello_caleb · Jan 3, 2004, 02:13 pm

actually paavo its kinda the opposite. my dad is the president of the school board in my home town, they and alot of other school districts are actually removing cola and candy machines in an effort to reduce fat ass kids. reguardless of brand.

Paavo · Jan 3, 2004, 10:41 pm

ok, I'm so happy to hear that. :)
Nice to see you here, caleb!

**Sean** · Jan 4, 2004, 01:17 am

Paavo, funny you would bring this up. My father actually works for a beverage company (I won't say who but it's one of the two big ones), and yes, they do sponsor schools. I remember my high school was given a new soccer field in return for machine placement, and calendars in the classrooms.

P.S....have you watched bowling for columbine yet Paavo?

Paavo · Jan 4, 2004, 02:38 pm

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sean,)
Paavo, funny you would bring this up. My father actually works for a beverage company (I won't say who but it's one of the two big ones), and yes, they do sponsor schools. I remember my high school was given a new soccer field in return for machine placement, and calendars in the classrooms.

P.S....have you watched bowling for columbine yet Paavo?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Ah shit...oh well.

And yes, I've seen bowling for columbine a long time ago. Got a bit on the mushy side in the end, but a great flick none the less. :B

**Sean** · Jan 4, 2004, 05:48 pm

Yea, it got a bit mushy, and you gotta keep in mind that he has a bias, but it was pretty interesting. I can't wait for his next flick that comes right before election-Fahrenheit 911

Impenitent · Jan 4, 2004, 10:17 pm

is the Bradbury estate going to allow that socialist moore to steal and bastardize the ideas of Ray's greatest work to spread propaganda and lies in the hopes that a bend over for terrorists democRAT could win next year? that will be a crime against literature...

Utah · Jan 8, 2004, 09:37 am

The local school here is sponsored by Budweiser and it is called Budweiser High. The mascot is the "King of Beers" and runs around in a fluffy king robe and wears a bear-cap style crown on his head.

In reality, I have never heard of anything such as mentioned in the original post. Education needs to be geared down in America... meaning simplified, but strengthened. All sports should be after school and never interfere with the educational process. Even if you get bad grades you should never be kicked out of a sport, why? Why not help those from being worse and get them into some sport that would definately keep them out of additional trouble. Schools should be split between strong, weak, and disruptive students. Strong students (school A) should be able to be educated without distractions. Weak students (school B) should be able to attend a school that fits their needs and helps them improve and enter school A. Disruptive kids need a different environment to help with their needs and to not distract the others that actually want to learn. Help them improve and learn about behavior so they can advance to one of the other schools.

Waychel · Jan 10, 2004, 12:48 am

I really dislike Michael Moore, and for good reason. Before you read anything he says and actually take it seriously, I suggest you read a few things first:

http://www.mooreexposed.com/

http://www.moorelies.com/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=34367

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html

Dec 30, 2003, 12:48 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
darwinist Igneous Magma Location: Netherlands Posts: 200	It would not surpise me, if it where true. These companies already do a similiar thing with the American Government. Freedom can be a dangerous thing. :) What goes 'up', must come 'down', unless it goes around and round.

Jan 2, 2004, 09:40 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Never seen it happen. Its actually quite difficult for any corporation to "sponser" a school. A public school is controlled by the government, thus you need to apply to the State government to get permission (which is difficult alone!). Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 4, 2004, 01:17 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Paavo, funny you would bring this up. My father actually works for a beverage company (I won't say who but it's one of the two big ones), and yes, they do sponsor schools. I remember my high school was given a new soccer field in return for machine placement, and calendars in the classrooms. P.S....have you watched bowling for columbine yet Paavo? So it goes

Jan 4, 2004, 05:48 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Yea, it got a bit mushy, and you gotta keep in mind that he has a bias, but it was pretty interesting. I can't wait for his next flick that comes right before election-Fahrenheit 911 So it goes

Jan 4, 2004, 10:17 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	is the Bradbury estate going to allow that socialist moore to steal and bastardize the ideas of Ray's greatest work to spread propaganda and lies in the hopes that a bend over for terrorists democRAT could win next year? that will be a crime against literature... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Dec 27, 2003, 02:12 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	(didn't know in which section this could belong...) I'm reading Michael Moore's "Stupid white men", and am now at the chapter about US education and it's poor state. I thought I was used to stuff like this, but one thing blew my mind; Do companies like Dr Pepper / Pepsi / Coca Cola and others actually "sponsor" schools with materials against advertising and such? With painting their logo on the rooftop, telling teachers to allow students to drink their products in class, even come with full classes with the info twisted in a favor for their corporate image? I find this sickening, could someone living in the states tell me if this is true, and if, how widely spread and accepted?

Dec 27, 2003, 06:13 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Aequo Igneous Magma Posts: 237	I've never heard of that before, but I highly doubt it.

Dec 27, 2003, 06:22 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
cheesemage Molten Ash Posts: 57	I haven't run into it personally, the closest thing to that I have encountered is a school only using one companies Vending machines.

Jan 1, 2004, 07:38 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
mrhotdogla Guest Posts: n/a	THIS IS BECUASE OF THE UNIONS GOUGING THE TAX PAYER. ITS BECAUSE OF MISAPPOPRIATION OF MONEY AND BEUROCRATIC EDUCRATS. LINCOLN WAS POOR AS DIRT AND HE LEARNED TO READ AND WRITE, THEN HOW IS IT THAT POOR KIDS TODAY CANNOT? ITS ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT CLAIM TO BE DOING IT NOT FOR THE MONEY, BUT THEY REALLY ARE, THEY MISPLACE BILLIONS. THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS NEED TO BE OVERHAULED AND MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE FIRED.

Jan 3, 2004, 02:13 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
hello_caleb Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	actually paavo its kinda the opposite. my dad is the president of the school board in my home town, they and alot of other school districts are actually removing cola and candy machines in an effort to reduce fat ass kids. reguardless of brand.

Jan 3, 2004, 10:41 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	ok, I'm so happy to hear that. :) Nice to see you here, caleb!

Jan 4, 2004, 02:38 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sean,) Paavo, funny you would bring this up. My father actually works for a beverage company (I won't say who but it's one of the two big ones), and yes, they do sponsor schools. I remember my high school was given a new soccer field in return for machine placement, and calendars in the classrooms. P.S....have you watched bowling for columbine yet Paavo?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Ah shit...oh well. And yes, I've seen bowling for columbine a long time ago. Got a bit on the mushy side in the end, but a great flick none the less. :B

Jan 8, 2004, 09:37 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Utah Molten Ash Posts: 31	The local school here is sponsored by Budweiser and it is called Budweiser High. The mascot is the "King of Beers" and runs around in a fluffy king robe and wears a bear-cap style crown on his head. In reality, I have never heard of anything such as mentioned in the original post. Education needs to be geared down in America... meaning simplified, but strengthened. All sports should be after school and never interfere with the educational process. Even if you get bad grades you should never be kicked out of a sport, why? Why not help those from being worse and get them into some sport that would definately keep them out of additional trouble. Schools should be split between strong, weak, and disruptive students. Strong students (school A) should be able to be educated without distractions. Weak students (school B) should be able to attend a school that fits their needs and helps them improve and enter school A. Disruptive kids need a different environment to help with their needs and to not distract the others that actually want to learn. Help them improve and learn about behavior so they can advance to one of the other schools. http://elogowear.com/utah/open.jpg

Jan 10, 2004, 12:48 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	I really dislike Michael Moore, and for good reason. Before you read anything he says and actually take it seriously, I suggest you read a few things first: http://www.mooreexposed.com/ http://www.moorelies.com/ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=34367 http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.