Dude imagine if something important was leaked? The government already called wikileaks terrorists, I wonder what they'll do to them?Quote by: Dodds
Dude imagine if something important was leaked? The government already called wikileaks terrorists, I wonder what they'll do to them?
Invade the internet? Take down Wikipedia, they may be harbouring e-mails of mass destruction.
You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due. : Dick Cheney
Why don't this guy's critics simply show us a single cable that puts the nation or lives at risk?? Like the thousands of messages about Iraq and Afghanistan that were released earlier, this is all a load of crap. What the government really objects to is the public finding out what it's really doing.
I upped my income, up yours.
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
I woke up this morning and half the stories on CNN were about Wikileaks in one way or another.
I was especially pleased by the leaked cable that showed China might be interested in backing a unified Korea. Having everybody know that China probably won't retaliate if there's a war is a very, very good thing. North Korea will have to be more careful now that it's out.
Actually, according to this article it might help in a lot of ways.
Amid Fears, WikiLeaks Presents Some Upside To U.S. | WBUR & NPR
People keep too many secrets. Time for the secret-keepers to suffer. Time for some global liberation.
The more you complain, the less I care about your problems.
Assange may face a greater threat from Russia than from the U.S.
Moscow’s Bid to Blow Up WikiLeaks: Russians Play by Different Rules - The Daily BeastNational-security officials say that the National Security Agency, the U.S. government’s eavesdropping agency, has already picked up tell-tale electronic evidence that WikiLeaks is under close surveillance by the Russian FSB, that country’s domestic spy network, out of fear in Moscow that WikiLeaks is prepared to release damaging personal information about Kremlin leaders.
“We may not have been able to stop WikiLeaks so far, and it’s been frustrating,” a U.S. law-enforcement official tells The Daily Beast. “The Russians play by different rules.” He said that if WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, follow through on threats to post highly embarrassing information about the Russian government and what is assumed to be massive corruption among its leaders, “the Russians will be ruthless in stopping WikiLeaks.”
A U.S. military official said the U.S. assumed that WikiLeaks had access to sources who could supply the site with detailed, damaging information about Russian leaders; those sources would likely include wealthy Russian expatriates who have had the resources over the years to conduct far-ranging private investigations of graft among Kremlin leaders, including their movement of assets outside Russia.
Too bad Alexander Litvinenko isn't still alive to tell Assange how Russia deals with those that it thinks are threats.
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[John F. Kennedy]
The principal value of debate lies in the development of logical thought processes, and the ability to articulate your positions publicly.
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[Terry Pratchett]
Let's see, perhaps it was the part you neglected to quote, from the very same post:
And, that just applies to classified information. Not to corporate whistle-blowers or standard government leaks.
You are ignoring very obvious reasons to keep things secret. But, if they are not obvious to you, I doubt if I pointed them out it would make much difference. But, for the sake of avoiding being accused of not answering questions, I will try to give you my "angle". Diplomatic relations and negotiations are very much like private conversations. Just like personal letters, the exchange is about information that is expected to be kept between the parties directly involved. In fact, it is more closely akin to the privileged communications between you and a lawyer or you and a doctor. If Saudi Arabia does not feel it can tell the US State Department things in confidence, they will tell us nothing at all. That is cutting ourselves off from a very important flow of information. Just like if you are afraid to tell your doctor you have an STD, it might cause you to remain infected and therefore cause greater risks to you and the community at large.These communications MUST remain private. That you can not see that, I believe, speaks to a certain level of ideological/youthful naivety. Ditto on the shock that our embassies are attempting to spy on people and we are involved in other intelligence work. Do you think the CIA operatives EVER advertise their intent? If you had no idea our government was actively involved in those kind of activities, you have been under a very big rock.
I am a pretty idealistic person, but even I am not nearly this naive. First of all, we are not the Saudi's lap dogs, the Saudi royal family are our lap dogs. Needing to tell the Saudi king to fuck off to keep our self respect implies the inverse of the true power relationship. Not one damn nation on earth is silly enough to believe that we are mercenaries, selling our willingness to push our weight around. If, tomorrow, we decided it was in our interest to depose the Saud family, it would be done. And Iran is pursuing their own rational interests. They are not attempting to gain nuclear power because they are concerned we are going to attack them. America could cease to exist tomorrow and they would continue on the path they are on. They want to be the big dogs on their block, they want to increase their power on the world stage and everyone except you and the neo-cons knows that. Our displeasure and power is much more likely to halt their attempts. Our complacent inattention will not "calm" them, it will encourage them. But not for the reasons most people think. They don't want to blow up the world. They just want to be on the same power stage as all the rest of the nations that have the power to blow up the world. They want the nukes, not to use, but to alter their relative weakness. Iranians tend to think of themselves as Persians first. They hate it when people lump them in with the Arabs because they were once the worlds most powerful empire. They have, in the past, occupied the role we occupy now, that Greece and Rome and England occupied. They want a taste of that back.
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard -
Tell me, could that be you?
John Kay
China may, to save face, now support North Korea. Saving face is important to other cultures. Very important.
The leaks are the equivalent to a toddler coming up to a well off in-law at Thanksgiving dinner and telling her/him, "Mommy and Daddy say you're a rich bitch." What good comes of an out of context blurt?
While I think Manning should be hung out to dry, I'll stand behind Assange and WikiLeaks' function as the epitome of a free press uncontrollable by government thugs. At least so far. I heard Kristoll on Fox calling for the decimation of WikiLeaks by any means. That was enough for me to support Assange and his crew.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
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Is it strange to say that mostly I just want to shake things up? Making Fox angry is also a worthy goal.
The more you complain, the less I care about your problems.
Yes, let me agree and say my problem is not with WikiLeaks in concept. My problem is when they cheapen their relevant function with stupid crap. It is like false abuse and rape accusations. It makes the REAL problem harder to prove and/or take seriously.
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard -
Tell me, could that be you?
John Kay
I'm actually wondering what kind of shape Assange is right now. If the US Government targets him and his establishment, then the death of the Constitution will officially be completed.
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
Well, now Assange is a wanted man apart from his involvement (or perhaps because of his involvement) with WikiLeaks.
WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Wanted By InterpolThe International Criminal Police Organization, better known as Interpol, has added WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange to its wanted list.
The notice, issued earlier today, targets Julian Paul Assange, listed as a 39-year-old male from Townsville, Australia, for sex crimes. The warrant for his arrest that sparked the Interpol listing comes from the International Public Prosecution Office in Gothenberg, Sweden.
The warrant stems from accusations of sexual assault made earlier this year by two women he met in Sweden during a WikiLeaks-related trip. When the more serious charge of rape was dropped, he called the accusions a smear campaign.
However, the case against Assange was reopened and upheld by an appeals court. Swedish authorities intend to interrogate the WikiLeaks founder and have issued an EAW (European Arrest Warrant) to get him.
The Forum Rules
Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
[John F. Kennedy]
The principal value of debate lies in the development of logical thought processes, and the ability to articulate your positions publicly.
[Senator Dick Clark of Iowa]
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
[Terry Pratchett]
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