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Nov 7, 2004, 07:06 pm
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| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | Quote:
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Nov 8, 2004, 02:05 pm
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| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | Okay: 1. I don't owe anyone anything for them simply living and sucking at life 2. I work for my money and my education, it isn't impossible for everyone else, at any time in their lives, to go and do the same. 3. I can't really afford to pay for other people to live either; I am just making it on my own. I go to school for 30 hours a week (18 units) and I work for 32 hours a week, I don't even get much fun time. Yet for my hard work some lazy fuck gets to eat? No. It shouldn't work that way. I spent two months trying to get a job, but you know what happened? I got one! And I've got a shit resume. No work experience, not college degree, I really don't even have a high school diploma, and yet I got hired, imagine that. And it isn't like trade school is unaffordable either. I go to a community college; it is hard work, but rewarding as I'll be at UCLA next year at the age of 19 with only two or less years left. (I'll most likely graduate at the age of 20) So I am very sorry if those who in their life put an effort out there don't want to pay for some lazy fat pregnant whore and here three retarded children who in the mostly likely of situations wouldn't have the slightest bit of respect for you and would more likely than not ramble on and on to you about the poor misfortunes of their lives. In a society there are these privileged people who make a decent salary and have a decent education and enough free time to develop a sense of pity for the poor that leads to this kind of butchering of America's hard working class of people. There is not one reason but invented pity to explain why in the world we are paying welfare. And it is really unfortunate that your pity costs me money. Donate if you give a shit about these people, don’t force everyone else who doesn’t to pay. |
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Nov 8, 2004, 07:40 pm
| #64 (permalink) (top) |
| Igneous Magma Posts: 716 | QUOTE Suburbanite > 1. I don't owe anyone anything for them simply living and sucking at life The world has given you lots, especially while growing up. Count the ways, the lives people have saved, transformed and helped through their voluntary kindness. > 2. I work for my money and my education, it isn't impossible for everyone else, at any time in their lives, to go and do the same. of course it is, thats precisely why we have welfare. Schizophrenia, idiocy, personality problems, etc. > 3. I can't really afford to pay for other people to live either; I am just making it on my own. Your 32 hours a week more than pays for the essentials, what youre just making is just the standard of living youve got your sights set on. To illustrate this, go tell a Nigerian youre only just making it on $xxx a week and time how long they laugh for. > I go to school for 30 hours a week (18 units) and I work for 32 hours a week, I don't even get much fun time. Yet for my hard work some lazy fuck gets to eat? No. It shouldn't work that way. I spent two months trying to get a job, but you know what happened? I got one! And I've got a shit resume. No work experience, not college degree, I really don't even have a high school diploma, and yet I got hired, imagine that. You're lucky, youre sane and capable. Have you ever tried to do business with someone who's mentally ill? Its hopeless. Have you ever tried to do business with someone who's mind bogglingly thick? Its counterproductive. Have you ever watched someone with personality problems and seen why no-one wants to hire them? Have you found out how impossible it is to work with or employ the criminally insane? The reality is that in every country without welfare there are people starving, begging and stealing to try to stay alive - and many fail. If they could get a job, they would. > And it isn't like trade school is unaffordable either. A trade career is not accessible to those that have no credible chance of passing, schizophrenics, etc etc. I'll stick my neck out and say youve never worked with the mentally ill, homeless, etc, you seem to take what youve got for granted. > So I am very sorry if those who in their life put an effort out there don't want to pay for some lazy fat pregnant whore and here three retarded children who in the mostly likely of situations wouldn't have the slightest bit of respect for you and would more likely than not ramble on and on to you about the poor misfortunes of their lives. Stereotyping like that is generally used as a way to justify a point of view of rejection. In reality the poor come in all kinds, albeit with a greater incidence of serious personality problems. I would sure like to know that if I have a kid that gets lost in life, they will always be able to eat. > In a society there are these privileged people who make a decent salary and have a decent education and enough free time to develop a sense of pity for the poor that leads to this kind of butchering of America's hard working class of people. no-one is being butchered. Welfare enables people to stay alive. > There is not one reason but invented pity to explain why in the world we are paying welfare. Its called giving a monkeys about our fellows, morality, etc. And providing a safety net for yourselves. Doesnt mean you have to like them, just let them live. There are other reasons to pay them too. If you dont theyll turn to crime, and that wll cost you more and cause greater personal suffering. It just doesnt make any kind of sense to not pay them enough to stay alive. No-one wins that way. > And it is really unfortunate that your pity costs me money. Donate if you give a shit about these people, don?t force everyone else who doesn?t to pay. It would be foolish of you to not pay, and thereby cut yourself off from any chance of such help in future. Part of the naivety of being young is the belief that one can not possibly fall. Truth is people from all walks of life do, no-one is immune. Also if people dont contribute, they will pay more anyway. Your limited money argument is in fact an argument in favour of paying them, since it is the cheaper of the 2 options. Since society is much better off for having welfare, I support it, and pay my contribution with gratitude. Sorry to disagree so much! Lava |
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Nov 9, 2004, 02:53 pm
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| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | > 1. I don't owe anyone anything for them simply living and sucking at life The world has given you lots, especially while growing up. Count the ways, the lives people have saved, transformed and helped through their voluntary kindness. And yet THIS is not a reason for me to do anything for anyone else. This is you trying to justify why I should work for other people so everyone has a smile. > 2. I work for my money and my education, it isn't impossible for everyone else, at any time in their lives, to go and do the same. of course it is, thats precisely why we have welfare. Schizophrenia, idiocy, personality problems, etc. Any disorder where someone is stopped from working then I don't mind supporting them, but wake up and smell the beans cause thats not where most welfare is going to. > 3. I can't really afford to pay for other people to live either; I am just making it on my own. Your 32 hours a week more than pays for the essentials, what youre just making is just the standard of living youve got your sights set on. To illustrate this, go tell a Nigerian youre only just making it on $xxx a week and time how long they laugh for. Why don't you go tell me how much Gas in Nigeria costs, or how much a car costs in Nigeria so I can drive to work, or how much an apple costs in Nigeria so I can eat. Prices are different and I am hardly making enough to get by in AMERICA, which is the location we are talking about. > The reality is that in every country without welfare there are people starving, begging and stealing to try to stay alive - and many fail. If they could get a job, they would. First off, prove it, second off, prove that it is because of welfare. Perhaps every wealthy society has a guilty middle class to invents welfare so sooth their troubles and if they didn't have it they would be better off. You can't prove any of this one way or another. > And it isn't like trade school is unaffordable either. A trade career is not accessible to those that have no credible chance of passing, schizophrenics, etc etc. I'll stick my neck out and say youve never worked with the mentally ill, homeless, etc, you seem to take what youve got for granted. Again get off the rare exceptions, this isn't about nut jobs it is about lazy people, the MAJORITY of the people taking my money. > So I am very sorry if those who in their life put an effort out there don't want to pay for some lazy fat pregnant whore and here three retarded children who in the mostly likely of situations wouldn't have the slightest bit of respect for you and would more likely than not ramble on and on to you about the poor misfortunes of their lives. Stereotyping like that is generally used as a way to justify a point of view of rejection. In reality the poor come in all kinds, albeit with a greater incidence of serious personality problems. I would sure like to know that if I have a kid that gets lost in life, they will always be able to eat. Then save money for them cause I won't help. > There is not one reason but invented pity to explain why in the world we are paying welfare. Its called giving a monkeys about our fellows, morality, etc. And providing a safety net for yourselves. Doesnt mean you have to like them, just let them live. There are other reasons to pay them too. If you dont theyll turn to crime, and that wll cost you more and cause greater personal suffering. It just doesnt make any kind of sense to not pay them enough to stay alive. No-one wins that way. Some will turn to crime, most will just work. Why don't they just move to Nigeria and live like kings though? |
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Nov 9, 2004, 04:05 pm
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 623 | Quote:
Had you had parents who cared, you would cerainly not have turned out like this. Not THIS bitter and anti-social. Like I said, it all goes back to people being given unfettered licence to F*** and create human beings regardless. I feel sorry for you. Next time you tell me to "go F*** myself, you dumb F***" (see the post you know which), I'll encourage you to say it again so you will take it off your chest. After all, you don't have much else, do you.... COMPETITION BRINGS THE BEST IN PRODUCTS AND THE WORST IN RELATIONSHIPS. | |
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Nov 9, 2004, 07:56 pm
| #67 (permalink) (top) |
| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | Well I do have my connections to terrorism, despite having only the competence of a 6 or 7 year old (see the post you know which). Now, I don’t see how you think an 18 year old without work experience is worthy of your pity, I am still in college, so I don’t have a degree. I am not bitter, not even in the least, but if you want to assume any emotional connection to the issue a fairer assessment would be that I am slightly aggravated. I can’t say anything about the parents who care comment; they seem to care as far as I can tell…. Do you know something I don’t? |
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Nov 10, 2004, 05:55 am
| #68 (permalink) (top) |
| Igneous Magma Posts: 716 | QUOTE Suburbanite, Lava > 1. I don't owe anyone anything for them simply living and sucking at life >> The world has given you lots, especially while growing up. Count the ways, the lives people have saved, transformed and helped through their voluntary kindness. > And yet THIS is not a reason for me to do anything for anyone else. This is you trying to justify why I should work for other people so everyone has a smile. No, I said that to dismantle your claim that you owe no-one anything, nothing more. > 2. I work for my money and my education, it isn't impossible for everyone else, at any time in their lives, to go and do the same. >>of course it is, thats precisely why we have welfare. Schizophrenia, idiocy, personality problems, etc. >Any disorder where someone is stopped from working then I don't mind supporting them, but wake up and smell the beans cause thats not where most welfare is going to. Some goes to those that cant work, some gose to those that wont. I think we'd need a whole nother thread to try to work out what the proportions are. > 3. I can't really afford to pay for other people to live either; I am just making it on my own. >> Your 32 hours a week more than pays for the essentials, what youre just making is just the standard of living youve got your sights set on. To illustrate this, go tell a Nigerian youre only just making it on $xxx a week and time how long they laugh for. > Why don't you go tell me how much Gas in Nigeria costs, or how much a car costs in Nigeria so I can drive to work, or how much an apple costs in Nigeria so I can eat. Prices are different and I am hardly making enough to get by in AMERICA, which is the location we are talking about. Thats not the point imo, the point is you are not just making it. 32 hours at minimum wage or more is more than enough to survive in the US. What you have goes miles beyond what the average Nigerian has. > The reality is that in every country without welfare there are people starving, begging and stealing to try to stay alive - and many fail. If they could get a job, they would. >>First off, prove it, I've been to Africa and seen it. As for proof... read the news, google, whatever you like. > second off, prove that it is because of welfare. Its because of the absence of welfare, if they had welfare there they wouldnt be starving. > Perhaps every wealthy society has a guilty middle class to invents welfare so sooth their troubles and if they didn't have it they would be better off. You can't prove any of this one way or another. I'm not clear what youre asking me to prove there. > And it isn't like trade school is unaffordable either. >> A trade career is not accessible to those that have no credible chance of passing, schizophrenics, etc etc. I'll stick my neck out and say youve never worked with the mentally ill, homeless, etc, you seem to take what youve got for granted. > Again get off the rare exceptions, this isn't about nut jobs it is about lazy people, the MAJORITY of the people taking my money. I'm not talking rare exceptions, I've tried working with welfare claimants and in most cases its useless. Thre are reasons theyre on welfare, reasons no-one is employing them. > Some will turn to crime, most will just work. Why don't they just move to Nigeria and live like kings though?[/quote] Couldnt make sense of that. No-one is going to live like a king if they move to Nigeria. Lava |
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Nov 10, 2004, 06:06 am
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Nov 10, 2004, 05:15 pm
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 716 | QUOTE Suburbanite, Lava > second off, prove that it is because of welfare. >> Its because of the absence of welfare, if they had welfare there they wouldnt be starving. > No, if they had a good economy they wouldn?t be starving. a good economy cant employ the nutty, the moronic and the more disabled. > Any disorder where someone is stopped from working then I don't mind supporting them, but wake up and smell the beans cause thats not where most welfare is going to. >> Some goes to those that cant work, some gose to those that wont. I think we'd need a whole nother thread to try to work out what the proportions are. > Welfare should not go to people who CAN work and wont. Helping the diseased and crippled is an entirely separate issue. You appear to assume we can tell the difference. We frequently cant. >> Thats not the point imo, the point is you are not just making it. 32 hours at minimum wage or more is more than enough to survive in the US. What you have goes miles beyond what the average Nigerian has. > Sigh? Then give me the income you make over what I make if you think it is enough because I need more. that doesnt prove anything. > This is not Nigeria. I am not working to feed myself, I live in America, I will never starve to death. I am working to support the status quo way of living, which I am very below as of right now. Get over this Nigerian thing, you?re not making any real points except that Nigeria is dirt poor which I?ll agree with. Yes I was. >> I'm not clear what youre asking me to prove there. > Prove that welfare has actually helped to feed anyone who could work. All it does is allow them not to work; because if they needed money for food they would get up and get it. Youre changing the goalposts. Welfare helps those that cant get jobs. We cant distinguish reliably, therefore here we make it open to anyone. > I didn?t say I wasn?t an asshole. You disrespect yourself as you disrespect others. Maybe deserve to treat self better, it feels nicer. Lava |
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