should we give money to the poor?

[castille]

Since you're all so kind and charitable to your fellow humans, there's about 500 million people in my country who are poorer than you. Won't you send them some money?

I guessed not.


Charity is voluntary. When you force people to give their money to other people, that's not charity, and it certainly isnt humanitarianism.

[prettyredhead]

lol LAVA your funny.

Also, do you know how hard it is to get a job without an adress and a phone? Change it so that it doesnt require one, I suppose.
And no, Rich, fat DEMOCRATS made it so we didnt starve. Not the other piggies. They want us to starve.


Hey, if it happens again to where I am broke and we are hungry, I will just steal and rob and maim if I must. Dont underestimate me. ....lol

[syracusa]

Originally posted by castille, Since you're all so kind and charitable to your fellow humans, there's about 500 million people in my country who are poorer than you. Won't you send them some money?

I AM sending money to people abroad.
Cannot send for the entire China myself but I AM sending.

Another thing that I am doing is NOT bitching about tax money.
I am glad that there is a system in place that puts aside a little from somebody like myself (who at least was able to receive and survive a job to make the aforementioned fat pigs even fatter) and help those who do not even have that chance.

I would not want to do the charity administration myself - it would take too much of my time and I would probably not do it based on the most fair criteria because I cannot gather information on all the needy people, at one point in time.

Do you have any problems with me wanting the government to do the charity for me? They have the means to do it better and much fair-er.

What I DON'T like is when the government takes a huge chunk of my tax money and shoves it into the military sector. I just don't particularly like the idea of subsidizing activities that result in blowing humans (of any origin!!) into pieces. But that's just me.

[prettyredhead]

yes, seems most dont mind pumping money to poor Iraqis. We do give to many poor, and proof is in this war.

We have subsidized half the world at one time or another. When the freebies end, though, suddenly we are the boogie man. Boy, do they get furious when that all ends.
We cant save the world. But we can deem better whose is deserving.

[Nono]

Originally posted by syracusa+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Another thing that I am doing is NOT bitching about tax money. I am glad that there is a system in place that puts aside a little from somebody like myself (who at least was able to receive and survive a job to make the aforementioned fat pigs even fatter) and help those who do not even have that chance. [/b]

Me too. Government can apply something more than a bandaid (necessary though bandaids can be).

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... pumping money to poor Iraqis ... [/quote]

Money? You mean live rounds, don't you?

[prettyredhead]

haha didnt catch the sarcasm did ya. Yes, I can no longer remain a proud American. If anything I am ASHAMED to be one.
I know that my govt. lies to me, and we are or rather already have killed numerous innocent people. Funny thing is, Iraq nor Afganistan ever bomed us, or even so much as threatened to.
We have murdered babies here and in Vietnam. WE have not yet gotten pay back for that little murder spree.

[Lava]

Originally posted by castille, Since you're all so kind and charitable to your fellow humans, there's about 500 million people in my country who are poorer than you. Won't you send them some money? I guessed not.

lol! I love your perceptive cynical sarcastic humour. And yes, I'm being serious.

Charity is voluntary. When you force people to give their money to other people, that's not charity,

fair point

...and it certainly isnt humanitarianism.

how come? It looks humanitarian to me.


Regards, Lava

[Lava]

Originally posted by prettyredhead, lol LAVA your funny.

:)

Also, do you know how hard it is to get a job without an adress and a phone?

I've done it in fact. Most dont want to know. But I managed to get by, if not well. If I were in that situ today I might be tempted to set up an address and not tell them I was homeless.

I think its when homeless people make no effort to better themselves that they find it hardest to get work. And I'm not saying its always down to laziness there, seems to be as often down to some kind of head issue that they dont figure out how to behave to get a job. I managed though.

Hey, if it happens again to where I am broke and we are hungry, I will just steal and rob and maim if I must. Dont underestimate me. ....lol

I find it odd so many 'mericans dont realise this, its precisely whats happening. (In some of the cases, not all.)


Lava

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Nono,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nono,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Jeez, Sub, and I thought PRH was strident. Let 'em starve while you clutch your bundle, eh? If those are the rules, then they should come over to your place and steal the stuff. You're asking for the jungle; you should get it.[/b]

Come, and expect to be shot. I don't expect the Jungle, the Jungle simply is, and I know about it.

Originally posted by syracusa,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Suburbanite, There are no morals that govern me, I just don't like paying taxes. I don't really care if they starve to death. They are entitled to nothing but what they earn, their existence shouldn't be a burden on anyone. The words speak for themselves. Stages of syracusa's reaction when she encounters people with this type of mentality: 1. Disbelief (we're in the 21st century, do we still have cavepeople like this?) 2. Anger: (where is there a terrorist attack when you need one?) 3. Consolation (...but there is a special place in Hell for people who think like this; when they'll be burning in their little containers and begging for help, hopefully they will get the finger from Mr. Devil-in-Chief . Forever.) 4. Realism: a sane, moral person who consciously brings a child into a world containing even one single person like this, is not a sane, moral person.[/b]

1. I find this to be more of a compliment. I appreciate my truer nature, while I am more than amazing at this “21st Century” I am still just as equipped for it not being here.

2. I’m not angry, I never get angry, I just don’t make enough money to support some lazy guy.

3. Nice one. Now who is in need of number 4?

4. Sanity has nothing to do with morals; your point is not only incorrect but riddled with ignorant banter. It makes no sense, realistically. Don’t bring your weak children into a strong world if you feel this way.

Originally posted by Lava, Originally posted by Nono, Jeez, Sub, and I thought PRH was strident. Let 'em starve while you clutch your bundle, eh? If those are the rules, then they should come over to your place and steal the stuff. You're asking for the jungle; you should get it. Indeed. Anyone here know why Americas crime rate is many times higher per capita than Britain's? Thats what you get when you tell people to go starve. And you deserve it. :) Lava

I’d love to see the logical proof behind that one.

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lol LAVA your funny.

Also, do you know how hard it is to get a job without an adress and a phone? Change it so that it doesnt require one, I suppose.
And no, Rich, fat DEMOCRATS made it so we didnt starve. Not the other piggies. They want us to starve.


Hey, if it happens again to where I am broke and we are hungry, I will just steal and rob and maim if I must. Dont underestimate me. ....lol[/quote]

You got your money, who are you to complain.
I hope you do maim, but I find beggars take no initiative so I don’t imagine you actually putting an effort out there for your meal.
And you never once had an address or a phone number? You didn’t grow up somewhere? You always lived on the streets? You have no friends with homes? Be a little creative. Even I know damn well that there are shelters whose addresses you can put down if you’re homeless.

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yes, seems most dont mind pumping money to poor Iraqis. We do give to many poor, and proof is in this war.

We have subsidized half the world at one time or another. When the freebies end, though, suddenly we are the boogie man. Boy, do they get furious when that all ends.
We cant save the world. But we can deem better whose is deserving.[/quote]

How Americans spend their money is none of your business at this point, you’ve lost the ability to critique it. You’re biting the hand that feeds you.

[syracusa]

[quote=Suburbanite,
I don't expect the Jungle, the Jungle simply is, and I know about it.
[/QUOTE]

The Jungle is created and perpetuated by people like you.
As much as you fancy yourself as the "solution", you are only "the problem". It is pretty clear from your dismissive, arrogant, self-righteous attitude: "I know about it".

I know about it too.

Any person who says that "so and so should starve to death, I do not care"...not only should not be allowed to post on any forum, but they should actually be locked up in a prison, right up there with the sociopaths incapable of experiencing empathy.

Empathy is what makes us human. You obviously do not have it.

And you obviosuly are not one if you continue to maintain your barbaric statements. Your psychology is a breeding ground for criminality and genocide. Get as close as you can to the Nazi mind, and then try to convince us that this is the "right way" and that you have the "truth" about humanity.

You are doing an awsome job.

Again: "where is there a terrorist attack when you need one"?

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by syracusa,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The Jungle is created and perpetuated by people like you. As much as you fancy yourself as the "solution", you are only "the problem". It is pretty clear from your dismissive, arrogant, self-righteous attitude: "I know about it". [/b]

I see myself as no solution what so ever. All men with strong wills are problems, it is better to be the problem, especially when there is no solution. The Jungle, which by the way I love using this term, has nothing to do with my existence, but my existence certainly has everything to do with it.

Originally posted by syracusa,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (syracusa,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Any person who says that "so and so should starve to death, I do not care"...not only should not be allowed to post on any forum, but they should actually be locked up in a prison, right up there with the sociopaths incapable of experiencing empathy. [/b]

They should starve to death instead of me paying for them to live. I think they, instead, should just try harder to survive. But thanks for the comments about censorship, and then the one about empathy. These concepts clearly scare you, yet you’ve provided no argument against them just attacks, I have to wonder why this concept scares you so much, and all I can think of is because you’re weak.

Originally posted by syracusa, Empathy is what makes us human. You obviously do not have it.

No, I don’t have any empathy, and no, it isn’t what makes you human, stop projecting things.


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And you obviosuly are not one if you continue to maintain your barbaric statements. Your psychology is a breeding ground for criminality and genocide. Get as close as you can to the Nazi mind, and then try to convince us that this is the "right way" and that you have the "truth" about humanity.
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The Nazi shares nothing with me. The Nazi is another dogmatic moral group, much the same as you, so I have no commonalities with them at all. And as a word of advice, shut up with calling people Nazis, they are hardly the end all to immorality and the statement is repeated far too often. I have no truth about the world, existence precedes and rules essence. I simply exist to the best of my capabilities, if that tramples over you then so be it, I have one life to lead and I wont allow others to make me suffer for it.


<!--QuoteBegin-syracusa,

You are doing an awsome job.
Again: "where is there a terrorist attack when you need one"?[/quote]


Awesome job at what? I should be killed by a terrorist attack? What are you a nonhuman, you have no empathy! Oh wait, you, like myself, don’t want someone to hinder your way of life… I get it now.

[prettyredhead]

No, you dont have to feed me. But in America you will pay taxes and like it. And some of those taxes will go to help children and people eat . There is no valid reason as to why, when restaurants, ect, throw tons of edible food out, that any person should be starving.
These "businesses" would rather get a TAX BREAK and or write off, to cover that food thrown away than to give it away free to people who cannot afford to eat in their fancy assed restaurants. At the end of the night, make the people waiting sign a food poisoning waver, and then let them have what is left. This is a simple remedy, to feed someone at least once a day. But, the very monster that posts here would be one to poison the food, just for fun. After all, HIS MONEY is HIS MONEY> Truth be known, he is evading taxes anyway.
Cash under the table eh? Punishable by jail time. You will get caught, cuz ppl like me nark on you...... just for fun
Well, looks like your in the wrong country for your elitist attitude. Isnt that what makes America great, our generosity? Yes, it is. We are more human than most countries. People are not akin to dogs. They are worth a little more. I bet your pro life too arent you>? No one ever gives a damn about them once they are born. lol

[syracusa]

Suburbanite,

You seem to be so tough and know-it-all, you great survivor!!

Then take a look at what prettyredhead said:

"In America you will pay taxes and you will like it".

Hmmmm...do I feel any weakness here on your part? The survivor in you doesn't seem to be able to do anything to stop this imposition, does it?
If you're so tough, why don't you summon a bunch of folks like yourself and go overthrow the tirrany of the government?
You're tough. Come on, you can do this!

If I am an ideologue and maintain that humans SHOULD learn empathy, and you just exist and struggle to survive in this oh-so-harsh world (that by the way, you help create and perpetuate)...it seems that the ideologue in me WINS.

You know why? Because there is a special place for humans who don't manage to learn the "ideology of empahty": it's callled prison.
This is also why we have a government. To keep the freaks devoid of empathy in check.

There is no victory in your way of life, suburbanite. Only bitterness and misanthropy.

[syracusa]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, Shut up with calling people Nazis, they are hardly the end all to immorality

Oh. One more thing. HAD TO highlight it and put it up there.
What would they do, little darling freaks, if they didn't have the anonymity of the Internet...

[prettyredhead]

And I am not biting the hand that feeds me, I was on welfare at one time. For quite a while. I could not find work, so what, let my kids go hungry. I will do that when you as a society stop cheerleading deadbeat assholes who dont pay child support. If he had, I would have not had to go on welfare.
And we need programs. Simple. We are not a third world nation, and last I knew did not transpire to be.
I pay back in taxes what I used. When one gets a legit job, they pay taxes, thus paying back some of what they used to survive.
The world isnt one big Survivor game. You cant vote off neigbors whom you hate. You cant vote off all the poor and mentally ill. WHY CANT people just live and be kind. In such a CHRISTIAN nation it should not be a ?
I am eternally grateful for the welfare system that allowed my kids and myself to eat better. Thank God for it. It allowed for me to actually enjoy my baby that year ........I wasnt a mass of stress from scrounging through garbage or thieving to survive. I am not afraid of guns. I have one too. Knives work well too in a pinch.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by prettyredhead, No, you dont have to feed me. But in America you will pay taxes and like it. And some of those taxes will go to help children and people eat . There is no valid reason as to why, when restaurants, ect, throw tons of edible food out, that any person should be starving. These "businesses" would rather get a TAX BREAK and or write off, to cover that food thrown away than to give it away free to people who cannot afford to eat in their fancy assed restaurants. At the end of the night, make the people waiting sign a food poisoning waver, and then let them have what is left. This is a simple remedy, to feed someone at least once a day. But, the very monster that posts here would be one to poison the food, just for fun. After all, HIS MONEY is HIS MONEY> Truth be known, he is evading taxes anyway. Cash under the table eh? Punishable by jail time. You will get caught, cuz ppl like me nark on you...... just for fun Well, looks like your in the wrong country for your elitist attitude. Isnt that what makes America great, our generosity? Yes, it is. We are more human than most countries. People are not akin to dogs. They are worth a little more. I bet your pro life too arent you>? No one ever gives a damn about them once they are born. lol

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by syracusa, Suburbanite, You seem to be so tough and know-it-all, you great survivor!! Then take a look at what prettyredhead said: "In America you will pay taxes and you will like it". Hmmmm...do I feel any weakness here on your part? The survivor in you doesn't seem to be able to do anything to stop this imposition, does it? If you're so tough, why don't you summon a bunch of folks like yourself and go overthrow the tirrany of the government? You're tough. Come on, you can do this! If I am an ideologue and maintain that humans SHOULD learn empathy, and you just exist and struggle to survive in this oh-so-harsh world (that by the way, you help create and perpetuate)...it seems that the ideologue in me WINS. You know why? Because there is a special place for humans who don't manage to learn the "ideology of empahty": it's callled prison. This is also why we have a government. To keep the freaks devoid of empathy in check. There is no victory in your way of life, suburbanite. Only bitterness and misanthropy.

Do me a favor and actually have some respect for yourself when you post so I am not forced to read the writtings of a crying woman. And do me another favor and actually respond with substance or I won't be replying again. And no, I'm not ignoring you, I've just said all I can on this subject and I wont repeat myself.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Suburbanite ... a crying woman ...

Whoa! Bingo! Here we're getting to the nub, eh?

It's the women who are making sense in this part of the thread.
Human civilization doesn't exist for the concentration of wealth in the hands of the Biggest Bruisers. That's the jungle.

One of the main functions of government (my view) is to redistribute wealth away from Greedheads. It isn't really theirs anyway.

[syracusa]

Suburbanite,

The reason you don't see any more substance is because both of us already said everything there was to be said on this issue.

One point on which we might agree is that...well, obviously - look at the two of us! - people are incredibly different.

I do believe however that overall there are more people with my type of psychology than with your type.
I mean... you don't encounter every day a person who thinks that "the weak should just starve to death 'cause they won't pay for them to survive anyway".

In regards with what Prettyredhead posted, I am glad and grateful that her kids did not have to starve when she was in that difficult situation. A tiny little bit of the taxes that I paid to the gov. went towards her welfare - and it makes me feel at peace knowing that it worked out that way.

I might not have been able to locate her, had the government left the charity up to me.

Otherwise suburbanite, let's just accept that we have very different psychologies or...souls, if you prefer a more metaphysical term...and we'll leave it at that.

All the best,
syracusa

(The "terrorist attack" was a joke, evidently. My "weak woman" morals would certainly prevent me from actually ACTING on it...even if I were presented with such an opportunity; but boy, do people like you make me fantasize about it or what!).

[prettyredhead]

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Read very carefully monsterman... it says basically dont like being charitable, move the F out of the US, to a country like oh, say, Africa. Which lets its own children die a painful, terrible death from starvation. They eat their own shirts. .. nice place to live for greedy elitist like you. ... so, pack up.