Vegetarianism

[PatrickHenry]

Grass-fed beef uses a resource which would be wasted in areas of restricted rainfall. Or buffalo.

I don't favor factory farms, and think that people should consume meat from their own neighborhoods.

[joseph2622]

I am a vegetarian. I chose not to eat red meat because I grew up on a farm and that was literally all I ate, and I mean thats all, breakfast, luch, dinner, even a few midnight bacon strips when i slept walked. and very few vegetables.. As I got older I became sick of it, but i grew healthier than anyone I knew who. I'd never had a cold, flu, or sick. I'm guessing red meat is healthier than most think. but now i can't stand it, I only eat chicken, but i guess that makes sense, im half black...pun intended.. Now a plate full of salad, fruit, noodles, and pussy are part of my diet...

[StrongHeartsWin]

Grass-fed beef uses a resource which would be wasted in areas of restricted rainfall. Or buffalo.

Why do you think that just because humans do not put them to use these lands are "wasted"? Even arid lands with just grass have their own unique eco-systems. Why should those ecological systems be disrupted for something that is not necessary for our lives?

I don't favor factory farms, and think that people should consume meat from their own neighborhoods.

Factory farms are by far the worse. However, the family farm of yesteryear with cows roaming the fields, chickens pecking, and hogs rooting around in the farmer`s yard are disappearing more and more as corporate farmers with their high lobbying power wrestle more and more benefits from legislatures to favor them. In addition their large economies of scale make it so that the local farmer is having a harder and harder time at competing.

It is not feasable that everyone in large population centers get their meat from local farmers. Up to 80% of animals for consumption are factory farmed and that is increasing. Don`t you think it is naive to think people can get their meat in that fashion -- if just about economically impossible.

Besides, are you aware of slaughterhouses in peoples' neighborhood? I am not even aware of farms in my neighborhood. I live in the city like most people in western nations do.

[StrongHeartsWin]

I am a vegetarian.... I only eat chicken, but i guess that makes sense, im half black...pun intended.. Now a plate full of salad, fruit, noodles, and pussy are part of my diet...

LOL!

Joseph, is a chicken a vegetable? I`ve never seen one sprout from the ground. If not, then how can you possibly be a vegetarian?

Though, you could still nibble on the last meat you mentioned and consider yourself one. ;-)

Welcome to the discussion.

[joseph2622]

well, i may not be totally vegetarian, but most who are consider red meat is what they don't eat. featherd creatures are execptable for me.

Though, you could still nibble on the last meat you mentioned and consider yourself one. ;-)

Huh, i guess im less a vegy-man than i thought, i should reconsider my ways. From now on, Only pink meat

[StrongHeartsWin]

well, i may not be totally vegetarian, but most who are consider red meat is what they don't eat.

I wouldn`t agree that "most" vegetarians consider eating only poultry still makes them a "vegetarian."

featherd creatures are execptable for me.

Well, at least you have thought on the issue and made some life changes on those thoughts and because of your upbringing. I can respect that.

Huh, i guess im less a vegy-man than i thought, i should reconsider my ways. From now on, Only pink meat

LOL! Yes, a new meat category that we should all embrace for morning time, noon time, or night time nibbling. Also, calorie free!


Show compassion.
Switch to the new meat.
Bushmeat!
The ladies will love you for it.

[PatrickHenry]

Besides, are you aware of slaughterhouses in peoples' neighborhood? I am not even aware of farms in my neighborhood. I live in the city like most people in western nations do.

Andrade Slaughterhouse
20° 3'44.69"N
155°29'31.19"W

I guess you have to eat vegetables if you don't have a place to get local meat!

Actually since people are a plague on the planet, you should probably just eat some datura. :eek:

[StrongHeartsWin]

Andrade Slaughterhouse
20° 3'44.69"N
155°29'31.19"W

Like I said, few, if any slaughterhouses are in the main population centers of western nations making it most peoples' neighborhoods.

I may consider Honolulu a major population center (not really), but is Andrade in the middle of Honolulu?

Actually since people are a plague on the planet, you should probably just eat some datura. :eek:

No datura for me, thank you. I get all the green I need and the human plague are really only those people who can`t eat low on the food chain -- they`re the ones damaging the environment.

But, perhaps you, as a flesh eater, may be lacking in your plant based foods. By all means have some.

[StrongHeartsWin]

- Combines indiscriminately kill more small mammals while harvesting vegetables than slaughterhouses do harvesting meat

This is not the whole picture. One has to factor in the animals that were killed in the combines that were used to harvest the grain to feed the animals. With that added in, because it takes more acreage to grow meat for people than the acreage needed to feed people directly from crops, the net total means far more are killed in the combines aiding to producing meat than they are in the combines producing end use plant food for people.

[StrongHeartsWin]

I just want to know why the crusade to get people to stop eating meat? I know its not all vegans but why cant the vocal elements live and let live? Is it based on some sort of emotional fanatacism as Imp has suggested?

Fair enough question.

Those who are vegetarian for health or environmental reasons are probably not the ones who promote it so vocaly. Those who do so our of moral reasons are the ones who most often do promote it or accept debates on it or begins the discussions on it.

Emotions are definitely a part of the moral reasons for people promoting it. "Fanaticism"? Well, one person's view of fanaticism is another persons view of fighting for what they believe in. Are abolitionists of 200 years ago considered fanatics? I guess they were by the people they pestered about the issue of slavery. Slavery is morally wrong and there is not a thing wrong with emotions injected into issues where suffering is involved. Some people are moved by emotions in arguments, some are not. It depends on each person. To be rather robotic or Spock-like about issues involving suffering would put an image of Nazis in my head as they march Jews into the gas chambers even as a woman or child may be pleading for their life.

[RickSp]

You still haven`t explained: How moral considerations can be divorced from unecessary cruelty.

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Why should just humans be the sole target of moral considerations? What do you base that on?

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Human nature in its natural form is pretty scary. That is why we have laws to protect us from the anarchy that if it were left unrestrained would surely develope. Even as canibalism is still alive in some corners of the world, anthropologists will tell you it was more widespread in the past. So, if we seem to have naturally consumed our fellow man, then why should we not continue doing so? After all, according to your reason we shouldn`t try to repress our "nature."

Why do you merely repeat what you have said before? If it wasn't convinving the first time, it will be less so the second and third. I answered your questions, to the extent that they deserved an answer, already. A short summary:

I do not find anything immoral with eating other species of animals for food. I do not consider this to be "unnecessary cruelty." Your assertions that we have stepped "outside of the natural order" may represent your religious views but have no basis is reality. Your obvious contempt for human nature is not a view I share.

Your comments about cannibalism, crapping in public, equating non-vegetarians to slave traders and attempting to equate a kidnapped girl to a caged chicken are not worthy of comment or response.

[StrongHeartsWin]

they were embarrassing themselvesm running around with signs of pigs saying "why eat me?"

This is why: "BECUASE YOU TASTE GOOD AND HAVE OTHERWISE NO PURPOSE TO EXIST!"

Why must something have a purpose to exist. Many great philosphers have asked "why are we here," and the answer has never been conclusively agreed upon.

If you have no definite predetermined purpose for existence, then would that make any reason someone to exploit you justified -- to give purpose to them for themselves?

Of course not.