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| View Poll Results: Why are you a vegetarian (If applicable)? | |||
| I love animals. | | 22 | 11.28% |
| I want to stay healthy. | | 19 | 9.74% |
| For religious reasons. | | 1 | 0.51% |
| It runs in the family. | | 2 | 1.03% |
| I am no vegetarian!!! | | 151 | 77.44% |
| Voters: 195. You may not vote | |||
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We have evolved in modern society to be able to live without it. It is unecessary. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |||||||||
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![]() Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152 | Quote:
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill | |
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From the very beginning I have had no illusion of changing the opinions of the participants' views. In fact, I would guess there are few controversial issues for debate on this whole forum where major participants just all of a sudden changed their minds because they were "convinced", are there? In that case I and you are in good company -- or at least the majority when it comes to debates. I do imagine, though, that new ideas from debates get lodged in particpants' minds, as well as the onlookers', and after days, weeks, or months, people begin to change, no matter how slow or imperceptible it is at first. I often think about the things said during debates later in my free time. Quote:
"FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |||
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| Beloved Truth-Dragon Location: Texas Posts: 1,299 | "Veggie Blues" I'm all for not including meat in every meal--I don't think there's any idea more foolish when it comes to diet. But I don't think that cutting out all meat is the best dietary option, and I would hope that people would look into their dietary needs thoroughly before doing so. If only I could saith, so should I. |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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One thing for sure, flesh eaters do not have a monopoly on bad/imbalanced eating habits and nothing is perfect. But, the data is clear, and you are free to scroll up and take a more indepth look again at the position paper referencing over a hundred sources by well respected and reknown health orgs published in respected journals on the benefits of vegetarianism in comparison to consuming animal products. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Never saw this post, but I have voted now. I am no vegetarian. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Skeptical believer Location: da UP, Michigan Posts: 272 | I'm not a vegetarian, though I'm in the process of becoming a pseudo-vegetarian. I like meat, and would never give it up. However, I am troubled by the meat industry and the horrible atrocities inflicted by it. Animal factories literally devastate their surrounding environments and the health of nearby communities, they are destructive to the health of the greater human societies consuming their product. But then most any mega-industry is guilty of similar misdeeds. My main opposition to the meat industry is its horrible treatment of sentient beings. There are much more humane ways to bring meat to the marketplace, but the profits wouldn't be as great and we all know that profit is king of this world. I had a friend who was mostly a vegetarian, though he would eat meat if it were something hunted or fished by actual people going out into the actual wilderness. That's about where I'd like to be, even including eating meat produced from (preferably local) farmers who I know don't use practices I would consider disgusting. Of course, it's one thing to say that, but when practically everywhere you go there is an abundancy of meat, it takes a bit more than talk to overcome the temptation. nm420 "In this age, the mere example of nonconformity, the mere refusal to bend the knee to custom, is itself a service. --John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) |
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| Magma Posts: 1,032 | I'm not a vegetarian because I love the taste of juicy beef and pork. Chicken can be good, but only if it's fried. People who think we should stop killing animals to eat them are completely pointing their fingers in the wrong direction. Animals eat other animals... To survive... I eat animals... Because lettuce tastes like shit and so do tomatos, and all those other yucky veggies. Don't get me wrong, I still eat vegetables by choice(not some premade chili with onions in it) because some veggies taste good. But people should be pointing their fingers at people who actively abuse animals for a feeling of pleasure or to get rid of anger or some stupid fucking reason like that. The ALF is complete hypocrisy, it's just another elitist group angry @ the wrong people. Woudl you kill a snake if it tried to strike you? I would, for self defence, but look @ why the snake is striking @ you. You've invaded it's territory or caused it to believe it might be attacked, so it defended itself. What about a crocodile? A turtle? A grizzly bear? If you are gonna stand up for animals, don't do it for just the cute and loving ones like dogs and cats and birds etc, do it for the animals around us. If we didn't have meat to eat, we would eventually die off as animals. We cannot survive on just plants to eat. Some might be able to, but we are omnivores. We eat both meat and plants. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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If you eat animals because of the flavor, then you are supporting cruelty to animals based on the pleasure of the pallate. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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In an immediate life or death struggle, everyone retains the right to self preservation. Vegetarians have never said that is forfeited. What is your point? "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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![]() Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,112 | Yeah thhis is all very well, but you can't deny whats going on in the slaughter houses. This is more than just hunting to survive, its taking animals and practically manufacturing them, using them like parts on an assembly line. |
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Many of the animals remain concious even after the stunning or poker and are cut up alive. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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| Magma Posts: 1,032 | Yeah I totally agree. We need to just put them completely to sleep before that process begins... "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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| Magma Posts: 1,032 | I'm not being a smart ass. I think all animals used for feeding humans should be killed before the disassembly process.... That is what I truely believe. What other way would you do it? "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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![]() Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,112 | OK I guess I misunderstood you -considering your previous posts on the matter. It isnt practical or realistic to "put them to sleep" before killing them. I was talking more along the lines of quick deaths instead of them being be |