Vegetarianism

[pikatore]

Another funny observation, i wonder why there isnt a Board of Meaty-tarians or whatever the name is for that? That would be quite ironic

[Epistemologist]

So in combining our thoughts, we are designed to eat meat/plants, though in the context of advanced human civilisation, we can choose one food type whilst having the capacity to consume the other.

Well, I've been saying that all along, haven't I?

Another funny observation, i wonder why there isnt a Board of Meaty-tarians or whatever the name is for that? That would be quite ironic

Well, I suppose it's because meat-eating is the norm in the West, where lots of boards and other such frivolous institutions are generated.

[pikatore]

Well, I've been saying that all along, haven't I?

right. well, i got no beef now

[Gods_Mercenary]

We all have the ability to do that, because we're humans. So it's not a matter of smartness or anything like that when we're talking about humans being carnivorous or herbivorous.

And besides, I daresay there are countless super-intelligent herbivorous humans whose intelligence trumps that of fat and lazy carnivorous humans who sit on the couch and easily buy their meat without strategic hunting. I hope you get my gist.

I mean that the reason we have a leg up intelligence wise may be because we evolved to be super predators as well as gatherers. Food wise, we're sort of like bears. We have the ability to kill pretty much anything we want, but eat vegetables often because it's easier.

[Epistemologist]

I mean that the reason we have a leg up intelligence wise may be because we evolved to be super predators as well as gatherers. Food wise, we're sort of like bears. We have the ability to kill pretty much anything we want, but eat vegetables often because it's easier.

Well of course, primitive humans had an advantage being able to eat both via biological adaptions such as omnivorously designed jaws and digestive systems with omnivorous capacity.

But I was just saying that we don't need that right now, and we're at a point where not employing all our biological adaptions will not decrease our species' chances of survival in any non-negligible way. And yeah, we can kill anything anyway.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Are you sure? evolution is still happening to us, right before our eyes. We haven't removed ourselves from the race among species that much.

[Epistemologist]

Well, those who jump into bear cages don't really need to be in our gene pool.

I mean, of course, there are some people who aren't being really stupid yet are still destroyed by other species, but their loss isn't a serious threat to our species' survival. Besides, even a feeble man without muscles (which is not necessarily the case for vegetarians anyway) could fire an RPG or detonate a hydrogen bomb. As for survival vis-a-vis the environment, we've got sufficient shelters to protect the species per se.

This probably wouldn't happen:

Lol.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Yah, I'm convinced that the sudden surge of risk taking in teenage years is to kill off the stupid ones.

[Epistemologist]

Yep, they're not all stupid.

[Kuldeep]

But this 'experimentation' is in fact a form of evolution (though i believe it is wrong to assume the first humanoids were vegetarians), because our ability to be able to consume and process both meat and plant matter makes us more adaptable to our environment.

I do agree with you that this 'experimentation' is in fact a form of evolution. But do not think, it is not wrong to believe that earliest humans were vegetarains as long as we do not get clear cut proof for that. To my mind, towards the initial stages of world life (during earliest humans time) only two varities of animals might have existed. However, I do believe evolution might have converted both carnivorious and herbivorous to a third variety omnivorous of animals much later. The ability of consuming and processing both meat and plant matter must have evolved later on only after progressive evolution.

Dolphins are purely carnivorous, yet they are famous for thier brilliant intellegence. I don't think one's eating habits or preferences reflects one's intellect at all.

I do think not only eating habits but every habit including living habit is reflected by intelligence level of a same specie, what to talk about different species. Has till now, anybody experimented with Dolphins giving them vegetable food? Keep it hungry for a day or two and see the result!!! I am sure it would be compelled to take vegetarian food rather kill itself. Make them habituated of veg. food and then finally give it both meat and veg. food. I am confident dolphins too would turn omnivorous like humans have!

I suggest this experiment on Dolphins to a Zoologist or Naturalist to study. I would love to have published results of the experiments.

It's purely a matter of what our bodies can process, and since it is obviously both plant and meat material, we are by definition omnivorous. Vegatarianism will always be a preference, since vegetarians are RESTRICTING the variety of foods they can eat. It's about survival and how our bodies can achieve it, and it's more favourable to have a body that can digest both plants, and the meat of other animals.

Absolutely true whatever you fill in the stomatch of any living being, it would definitely process to varying degrees and unused stuff would come out as excreta (waste). The point is, what is the long term effect on surviving body and liking/taste development of a particular specie.

There are two sayings in our language (Kashmiri):
a) When a man is hungry he can eat even stones. Implying man has ability to adjust and change with the need. Dholphins having quite high intelligence might have vegetables as food when extreme hungry.

b) Lion would die but would not eat grass. Implying lions do not have capability to change, eating habit in particular. I think even other pure veg. animals like elephant too won't budge to have meat when hungry, also prefer death rather taking meat.

Besides, my favorite dish is composed of meat matter - a nice, big, fat, juicy T-bone steak. I'm not giving that up quickly. I am completely mystified as to why some vegetarians would find such a delicious (not to mention protein and fat rich) meal revolting, just because it hasnt grown out of the ground.

Yes, it is due to your habit of taking that T-bone regularly from the childhood. If like me your parents would have been pure vegetarian, you might have disliking for the same T-bone. As regards the juicy taste that development has come on properly cooking it and putting spices and salt. You won't find it similar when you pounce on sheep and ruthlessly kill it like a tiger and have its blood and meat. I am sure you won't/can never do that way. Since, it is not a habit for you. But, look at me I can pluck any vegetable and eat that like a cow or sheep. Based on this anology, I think Man is resembling more herbivorous than cornivorous group. Meat eaters look more curel on animals than vegetarains on plants!!!!!!:eek: :( :( :)

[sevendogs]

So many are "not vegetarians". Wonderful. Then, you should watch for militant vegans who want to impose their ideology on all of us. This is not only about what we eat or not. This is about our traditions and freedom to choose. I visited their forums, but they banned me, because their ideology is not for debates. It is very similar to Communism in methods. Human digestive enzymes and anatomy of human digestive system and teeth tell us that we are omnivores. Vegans are envious, because they have to munch their crummy foods while the rest of us enjoy rich and diversified foods. Eating only vegetable food is out of normal balance and historically people have never became vegetarians by their own choice. Even the most isolated backward and poor cultures did not escape at least picking up mussels and other invertebrates needed for proteinous supplementation of their fruit and vegetable diet. Most advanced civilization grew up, where meat was plentiful along with field grown crops. There were no vegan civilizations. We even became humans, because our ancestors were hunting and started keeping dogs and horses.

[Osborn F Enready]

sevendogs said:
I visited their forums, but they banned me, because their ideology is not for debates. It is very similar to Communism in methods.

Thank you, and that was my point all along about "certain" posters who are from that movement, and participate in these forums.

I would say it is an authoritarian fetish.