When you embrace immigration....

[prettyredhead]

You will find that you must embrace different morals. Thus, collapsing our moral fiber. You cant force a Hindi(for instance) to feel bad when they do something that to them, is not wrong. Such as murder a goat, or pay tribute to their own god by dancing naked in the moonlight. When you embrace different cultures, our "American" morals go out the window. What isnt American? What is moral to one, is immoral to others.
Kruschef (misspelled sorry) once said, "We have no need to invade America, they will destroy themselves from within" and this is becoming fact. We cannot have a melting pot, of sorts. It will fail. We will all become a seething, angry, hateful nation.
Very insightful. Lets talk about it.



Dont move this topic, just because you dont agree with it. When you move it, it just gets bumped up and seen in the "lesser" groups. But, hey do it ifin you want.

[Samildanach]

Hmmm...its an interesting theory......I think that short term you are correct it creates conflict as when any group moves to another area. They compete for resources and have their own ideas about how to do things however in the long run some of those ideas get moved intothe culture as a whole and some of your ideas are adopted by the people who arrived. It may take a long time but usually by the second or third generation the children start to take on the values of the culture they grow up in rather than the values that their parents enforce on them.
Of course, you might have to end up sacrificing goats on the full moon of every month but its all about respecting peoples rights, after all if you don't like what America is becoming you can always leave.

But seriously its interesting. I have always been an advocate of when you join a country out of choice you

1) should have to learn the language of that country
2) Should follow the customs and traditions of that country.

Otherwise why the hell are you going there in the first place?
the whole problem is your laws are too liberal in that respect. The UK has the same problem. although they are thinkinig of changing them so that 1) above is enforced.

[Paavo]

1) should have to learn the language of that country 2) Should follow the customs and traditions of that country.

Exactly.

I'm so tired of people going "But it's their culture" or "They've had it rough" when a Somalian f*cktard gets caught raping a 14 year old Finnish girl. Ok, so their culture sucks ass - it's not my fault, is it? Play by- and respect the local rules, or piss off.

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I don't think it's a good idea mixing cultures too happily (cultures, not talking about races, mind), in the name of tolerance and open mindness alone. Help the people in their own countries instead of making everyone bitter by pulling them in to your country and cause a clash in cultures.

[giuliano]

i live in australia, which has many cultures. there are no major problems. actually the biggest problem is still between our indigenous citizens and everyone else.

what you find is that immigrants assimilate after one or two generations.

muslims are copping a lot of heat right now. when my dad came to australia in 1948 from italy, it was the same story for him. now no one bats an eyelid at italian-australians. they fit in.

[Pooeypants]

For me, relatively new nations like America and Australia shouldn't have a problem integrating new elements into their society. After all, they're just remanents and fusions of former European traditions.

[Nono]

Yes, fitting into one of the big immigration countries isn't the same thing as fitting, dark-skinned, into a Scandinavian country, say.

I agree with Paavo that the onus is on the immigrants to adapt to the local culture. They came to it rather than the other way around. At the same time, everyone is so big into globalization these days, right? Well, this is part of it. All rich countries are becoming "multi-cultural", like it or not.

The worst situation I know of is in France, where there are huge suburbs that are practically de facto non-French: all sorts of horrifying shit goes on there. The fact is that you now have pockets of immigrants who are markedly less tolerant, less liberal, than the society to which they've moved. To the Somali in question -- who comes from a place where women are corralled and veiled -- all Finnish girls are whores by definition. And I don't envy the Somali girls either.

Another example is the cases of "honour killing" among Kurds in Sweden in recent years. There too you can always find misguided dingbats to say stupid stuff like "But it's their culture" or "They've had it rough". On the other hand, the Swedish authorities don't help much with their policy of assigning refugee families to dinky little outback settlements where it's guaranteed they're going to stand out and their kids will get a rough time at school. Better to let them form their "ghetto" in Stockholm and hope that it will dissolve with the second generation, as has happened with Italian and other immigrants in Australia or North America.

Edited for spelling. Damn.

[Zeebadee]

Originally posted by giuliano, i live in australia, which has many cultures. there are no major problems. actually the biggest problem is still between our indigenous citizens and everyone else. what you find is that immigrants assimilate after one or two generations. muslims are copping a lot of heat right now. when my dad came to australia in 1948 from italy, it was the same story for him. now no one bats an eyelid at italian-australians. they fit in.

Assimilation takes place because of 1. and 2. above. When those conditions aren't met, you end up with two seperate cultures, each vying for control. When foreigners come to this country, they should be doing so to change their entire way of life, not just their geographical location.

[Compugasm]

Don't come to America:
* Poor roam the streets like a Zombie movie.
* Triangle spaceships and gray people will probe you.
* The govt takes all the money, for the illuminati-lympics.
* Catholics sadistically rape your children (except Micheal Jackson, cause he's part of the Pepsi Generation™).
* Choking smog and coal ash blanket the land like mapyle syrup.
* Don "The Rummy" Rumsfeld lives here.
* On Tuesdays, we irradiate people with gamma rays.
* We eat botox, tastes like chicken.
* We have sharks fitted with laser beams patroling for "boat people".
* Ever see an "American Indian" yeah, exactly.

If your in a middle eastern nation, ignore this message cause it's already common knowledge. The rest of you, don't bother coming here!

[Nono]

Originally posted by Comp Don't bother coming here!

Roger that.

[castille]

I agree. Say no to immigration! Throw all the white Americans out of America, and leave America to the native Indians!

And I also agree - when the evil Christians came from Europe to America, they destroyed not only the fine native civilizations (Christian Spain even annihilated all of Aztek/Inca/Mayan/etc culture), they introduced their immorality to America.

[Nono]

AIM bumper sticker seen in NY:

The New World -- OK, you've seen it. Now go home.

[m5lange1]

Native Americans? WHAT native americans? You mean those immigrants who snuck over here across the Bering Straits way back when? Bet there was never a green card among the whole lot.

They shoulda gone back where they came from.....

Damn Ruskies.....

ALL the forigners should go home and leave this land to the... well the... um..... the um.... yea....!!!! The Buffalo!!!!!!
For a land that was unpopulated by humans initially we sure do like to talk about who the real americans are.

How many generations do you think one should have to go back before they are an American?

Wait... I bet I know.... anyone who came here after your (whoever you happen to be) last ancestor to arrive.

[prettyredhead]

Look, point is I dont care whothefuck was here first. We are American now. I didnt take a thing from Indians. And if we didnt/rather would not have, we would not have come so far.We would still be eating Buffalo and skinning them to wear. Indians were Spanish. They were here first, yeah, so ?
My post is about Immigration and the ill effects of it. When you welcome all different nationalities, you welcome un-welcome change. Why have Christmas ? WHy have Thanksgiving? The 4th ? What isnt American anymore/ Can someone tell me what ISNT AMERICAN . WHo said we have to eat shit, and ask for more?
What needs to happen, is all immigrants who are here illegally be deported. Then, to enter one must show that they can speak English. Then, they should have to pass a remedial version of the US Constitution, and know basic US History. When you have a million different cultures, and do not ingrain at least ONE COMMON factor then you have a moral society that is no longer moral.
In history, all civilizations have failed to mesh its different cultures in a peaceful manner. Eventually, those who are "American" will no longer be distinguishable as anything at all, except mixed. What isnt American? What is? This line is ever fading, and making our country into a mess. But, hey defend the invaders. I want my country back.

[Nono]

Originally posted by m5lange1 Native Americans? WHAT native americans?

Believe it or not, I agree. It's "native" as in "nativity scene", i.e. you're a native of the place where you were born. Period. And, indeed, if you go back far enough nobody is indigenous to anywhere.

But that doesn't get us anyplace either. Do you and PRH think that it would therefore be OK if the immigrants replied "No, fuck you! We're taking this place over and turning it into Radical-Islamic Maoist Monarchy!", and proceeded to do so by force, killing you off or driving you out as they did it? That would be a sort of ethnic cleansing. And that's what the Europeans did in the Americas.

And that's what all our ancestors have been doing to each other for a coupla million years.

So the best thing to do is turn off the rant (difficult PRH, but give it a whirl some time) and recognize that homo sapiens is highly mobile, and work out the best way of ensuring that this trait causes the least possible problems.

[castille]

So there is nothing wrong with Europeans forcing their culture onto the native Indians and Aztecs....but there is a big problem with a small number of non-white immigrants coming into America?

Do the foreign immigrants threaten to exterminate white Americans if they refuse to worship cows or cats? No, but the white Europeans did.

Do the foreign immigrants bring dirty habits like eating McDonalds and growing fat and useless...no wait, thats native to America.


Somehow I doubt immigration is going to cause problems. This isn't billions of immigrants - its only less than a few thousand, compared to 300 million people in the US.

[Compugasm]

This is my favorite story of the moment:

Immigrant activists say roadblocks discriminate against those without licenses

Just laughable. Illegal, no license, no insurance. The grand Trifecta has gotten DWI checkpoints removed due to racism. BTW, robot cameras are taking your picture and mailing legal drivers nice white envelopes.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by castille, but there is a big problem with a small number of non-white immigrants coming into America?

Illegal aliens, not immigrants. Lets see your Austrailia papers castile.

[prettyredhead]

Never mind assholes. Have my country if you want it. But you aint taking my home, or job. Then I will take my gun and shoot you with it.

BTW I think it is a hoot that border patrol throws rocks at illegal women and makes them drown. Haha what a hoot. What else can they pin on us? What other lies? Also I am glad they deported that lil Elian(years ago) bastard right back to Cuba. Good. One less illegal. Tho he prolly snuck back across by now.

[Nono]

castille, your points are well taken. Immigration is a result of staggering disparities in wealth. People don't move because they like moving but because the grass is so much greener.

Now that PRH and Co. have got it nice and cushie, they want to hoist up the ladder behind them.

[castille]

Originally posted by Compugasm, Illegal aliens, not immigrants.

I don't mind having illegal aliens deported (after all, many are simply traitors fleeing the wrath of a kind and loving regime like North Korea), but I see nothing wrong with immigrants.

Lets see your Austrailia papers castile.

I've got enough papers for you to spend the rest of your life sorting through.