Really?Quote by: GeminiBrian
Anyone who views a pastor, a priest, a nun, or a monk as a moral figure.
That's who.
Really?
Anyone who views a pastor, a priest, a nun, or a monk as a moral figure.
That's who.
Given the terrible revelations that have come to light recently regarding the conduct of pedophile priests, rapacious 'pastors' who rip off the poor to finance their own jet-style lifestyles, and sadistic nuns and monks in Catholic schools who tormented their charges for generations - I would say morality is in pretty short supply in such paragons.
I'm not talking of whether those figures are moral or not. I'm an atheist, I think those people are half-wits.
I'm talking of the perception of those people by a great majority of people, such as the large majority of people who claim to be religious, whether they adhere strictly to those codes and values or not. Many people that care enough about religion to call themselves christian or muslim or this or that do see those ascetic figures as moral.
What do I believe personally? They're just wasting their lives and furthering a corrupt value system that just corrupts humanity wherever it touches.
Glad we agree, then
Maybe it was just the way I was raised, but to me sex is some thing special you share with some one you love and want to be with your whole life. I am not religious. I am 19, a very socially active adult who has plenty of opportunities to have sex that I turn down. As some one said before in my mind it cheapens our relationships... I guess I'm a quality over quantity guy. Whose with me? Can I get a yea! Or some thing.
I would very much like to have a spouse that is a virgin however I'm realistic about this sort of thing... Most people fall in love when they're teenagers and think "Oh wow I'm going to be with this person my whole life so I might as have sex with them"... And its just easier to again after the first time haha. So by my age most people have had at the least 3 sexual partners.
More than one in a year?! My habits are quite distasteful then. I think most people around my age group (20-30) have at least a couple different sexual partners a year though.
That is a very personal view of sex, as a kind of sublime mystical experience, however, there are other, equally valid ones, I would say.
Our animal roots dictate that we reproduce as soon as our bodies are sexually mature - that is an inescapable fact throughout all nature.
I'm not saying this is the way we should behave, but in purely biological terms marriage means precisely nothing. Put a romantic slant on one of our most fundamental urges - that to reproduce - if you care to, but it is your mind that is in the driving seat, and not your body when you do so.
Add some 30 years to your age and it is other people who are turning you down - that's not quite so thrilling. Personally, I agree with John Betjeman, who is reputed to have said at the end of his life that he regretted every sexual opportunity he had turned down throughout the years.I am 19, a very socially active adult who has plenty of opportunities to have sex that I turn down
Sex is never cheap if it brings mutual enjoyment to two people - it can, and should, be a lovely thing - even between strangers - careful sex, needless to say...As some one said before in my mind it cheapens our relationships...
Like I said, it's a deeply personal choice... the thing to remember is that not everyone should be made to have the same values.I would very much like to have a spouse that is a virgin however I'm realistic about this sort of thing... Most people fall in love when they're teenagers and think "Oh wow I'm going to be with this person my whole life so I might as have sex with them"...
When I was 19 (back in the garden of Eden) - sex was a distant dream. And that is not something I would want if I had my time over again... A young, healthy body is primed by Mother Nature for uninhibited sex... Deny that urge completely, and you might find that things start to get out of balance, despite your purest intentions.And its just easier to again after the first time haha. So by my age most people have had at the least 3 sexual partners
Last edited by GeminiBrian; 24th October 2009 at 08:41 PM.
Who says you have to give up quality to have quantity? Actually, I think practice makes perfect.
I find it funny when people bring up animal instinct into the conversation of sex. We also have the animal instinct to care for our children and create a stable environment in which they are safe. Yet everyone seems to ignore that part of they're nature in our thrill seeking modern society.That is a very personal view of sex, as a kind of sublime mystical experience, however, there are other, equally valid ones, I would say.
Our animal roots dictate that we reproduce as soon as our bodies are sexually mature - that is an inescapable fact throughout all nature.
I'm not saying this is the way we should behave, but in purely biological terms marriage means precisely nothing. Put a romantic slant on one of our most fundamental urges - that to reproduce - if you care to, but it is your mind that is in the driving seat, and not your body when you do so.
That said I agree with your comment that is a mystical way to view sex. And I know my views are unusual.
Its not about the physical actions for me. So the quality is degraded in my mind.Who says you have to give up quality to have quantity? Actually, I think practice makes perfect.
Sorry I double posted. I thought it didn't get on the board.
Gemenibrain, I am a 19 year-old christian in a relationship with another christian 2 years younger than myself. We are both virgins. I have had sex offered to me twice before we began our relationship and I turned them both down. It's turned out to be one of my best desicions ever.
Yes we do have these "animal roots", but that does not mean that its something we succumb to and have with complete strangers.
My rationale behind that is this: My partner and I have talked (and prayed) about this issue to a while now, and if nothing else, not having sex with her has made our relationship STRONGER.
Ok, now I'm going to say something that's going to make me sound like an egomaniac.... I'm not....
Three years ago, my boss at the time told me that young adults who are virgins are more attractive to the opposite sex. I didn't believe him..... until I graduated from high school. The older I began to get, the more I began to realize that people of the opposite sex respected people like me more than your typical highschool teenager who would chase anything he could get.
If anybody reading this is in a relationship having a tough time trying to save it, then chat me up I'd be more than eager to lend a hand.
You remind me of a good point whitelion. You will have a much more human and personal connection with your partner instead of having a physical relationship. It will satisfy you more in the end.
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