Of course. But that doesn't mean bad arguments from the pro-abortion side should be immune to criticism.Quote by: Prax
I don't think anyone was arguing that it was illegal.
Of course. But that doesn't mean bad arguments from the pro-abortion side should be immune to criticism.
I don't think anyone was arguing that it was illegal.
If you were for it or against it in certain circumstances, then you would say it like that. You wouldn't just say you were an anti-abortionist. Saying you are an antiabortionist means you are against abortion. Fact. Not gray.
Then you haven't met a lot because there are plenty who are adamant about no abortions for any reason, even if everyone involved dies. They just don't care about the consequences, so long as nobody gets an abortion.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
If you're just arguing your personal opinion, you can certainly have any opinion you want. In this case, they did something that was entirely within the law. Whether you personally like it or not has zero bearing.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Zero bearing on whether it's legal. But its legal status has no bearing on whether it's right. This debate isn't about whether abortion is legal.
But "right" and "wrong" are purely subjective. What you think is right, someone else may think is wrong and vice versa and there is no way to prove one side or the other. Those terms have no place in a rational debate.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Cephus, I would suggest many in numbers, but a very, very small percentile based on the entire popluation.
Cheers.
Doesn't necessarily make it none of anyone else's business. Legalising rape or murder doesn't suddenly make it no one else's business.
Only because adamant anti-abortionists make up such a tiny percentage of the overall population to begin with. But among anti-abortionists, the number who are fanatical is a sizable percentage.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
If we did legalize either of those, it most certainly would. Once something is legal, what you personally think of it is utterly irrelevant, it's none of your business what people legally do in the privacy of their own homes. No one is forcing you to have an abortion, no one is saying you have to like it, you just can't stop anyone from having one, whether you like it or not.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Okay, this argument I do not respect. Something does not become right or wrong simply because a law says so. Unfortunately, too many people create this false situation where what is legal is good, what is illegal is bad. Most people fall into that middle ground, thankfully. They are, at the very least, willing to question the legitimacy of some laws.
Many feel as you do. But again, laws should be irrelevant. A law is not inherently legitimate. Logic, rationality and basic moral judgments are. In fact, when it comes to most of our social ills, our system is responsible for them. So disregarding laws does not necessarily lead us to blot out our very being, or even to any significant logical or moral confusion.
Grandpa h.
Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.
Rights are not conferred. They exist naturally independent of government and society.
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