Lets see anti-abortionists argue against this one

[ironeagle]

Girl, 9, to abort twins

A NINE-year-old girl pregnant after years of alleged sexual abuse by her stepfather is likely to abort twins she is carrying in a case that has shocked Brazil, reports in Sao Paulo said.

The Brazilian girl, who was not identified because she is a minor, was found to be four months pregnant after being taken to hospital suffering stomach pains, the news websites G1, pe360graus and the Diario de Pernambuco reported.

She was being cared for by a medical and psychological team in the Maternal-Child Institude in the northern city of Recife, close to her hometown of Alagoinha in Pernambuco state, they said.

"We don't know if she will develop the pregnancy up to the end because of the structure of her body. It is a big risk for her,'' the doctor who confirmed her pregnancy before she was taken to the institute, Jose Severiano Cavalcanti, told the Diario de Pernambuco.

"She doesn't have a pelvis able to support a gestation of twins,'' he said.

Abortion is illegal in Brazil except in cases of rape or if the woman's health is in danger.

The institute in Recife was unable to immediately confirm information about the case.

According to police accounts reported in the media, the 23-year-old stepfather was believed to have abused the girl since she was aged six, paying her one Brazilian real (about 77 Australian cents) for each sexual relation.

He also allegedly abused the girl's physically handicapped 14-year-old sister.

He was arrested on Thursday as he attempted to flee to another region in Brazil, and was being kept in protective custody.

Girl, 9, to abort twins | World Breaking News | News.com.au


Please tell me why this abortion should NOT go ahead.

First it's a total lie since nine year olds do not carry eggs to fertilize in the first place, but second I would not be oppossed to an abortion in this case, because the lord makes it clear that only when the life of the mother is at stake shall the mother's life be chosen over that of the unborn child's, and that in doing so the mother performs self defense. Do try to follow when you debate anti-abortionists most of us are christians and you should know by now this one exception we have all talked about it several times.

[grandpa]

First it's a total lie since nine year olds do
not carry eggs to fertilize in the first place, but
second I would not be oppossed to an abortion in
this case, because the lord makes it clear that only
when the life of the mother is at stake shall
the mother's life be chosen over that of the unborn
child's, and that in doing so the mother performs self
defense.
Do try to follow when you debate anti-abortionists most
of us are christians and you should know by now
this one exception we have all talked about it several
times.

Not everybody makes that exception, though.

Grandpa h.

[Cephus]

It's not an appeal to emotion, it's an appeal to common sense.

Does not have the pelvis to support gestation - how much more definitive does this get? Cannot gestate child, cannot, is not able, nada, zip, cannot grow child in child, does not fit, like trying to grow a football in a basketball.

You're arguing with a fanatic, it's pointless.

[ironeagle]

Not everybody makes that exception, though.

Grandpa h.

True but usually it's the mother herself that doesn't make thta exception.

[perplexity]

She should not be allowed to abort. The twins are god's will.

[Cephus]

She should not be allowed to abort. The twins are god's will.

No, you're delusional. Come on back when you can make an intelligent argument.

[perplexity]

No, you're delusional. Come on back when you can make an intelligent argument.

Lol. That, princess, was what we nowadays call sarcasm.

[The Bacon Guy]

Now you're being irrational, yo'ure comparing a 9 year old carrying and birthing twins to heavy lifting!

No, Aussie, I was using an analogy to show how the phrase "unable to support" does not necessarily mean certain death.

I give up, honestly.

There's a surprise.

Obviously you think it's medically feasible for a 9 year old to give birth to twins, depsite her doctor disagreeing with you.

I never said it was medically feasible, whatever that means. And I think you'll find his use of the word 'risk' disgarees with your claim of certain death.

You're arguing with a fanatic, it's pointless.

Yes, Cephus, I'm absolutely fanatical about questioning your interpretation of what a doctor said about someone I've never met.

But if it's easier to namecall than to address the arguments or to admit you were wrong, feel free.

[Dandelo]

I do not support abortion. However, if there is strong medical evidence to indicate that the pregnancy threatens the woman's life, abortion might be the only option (after all, carrying through would probably end up threatening the baby's life as well). Rape pregnancies? Let me pull an Obama and call that one 'above my pay grade'.

[SPK]

The Bacon Guy:

As I have never once in my life heard an anti-abortionist propose a stance without an appeal to emotion, I am lead to believe you have been playing Devil's advocate.

Thank you for addressing the core issue: abortion is only a matter of placing one life above another, and the belief in such a code should extend to all aspects of life. That is the key to bringing down the anti-abortion argument (or maintaining it). Indeed, all those who are anti-abortionists can only maintain logical ground for their argument if they are consistent with their belief that life can not be valued by mere human beings. (i.e. They can never say "abortion is only ok sometimes" or "in certain circumstances") To do so would prove their stance is based entirely upon emotion, liable to fault.
Such a belief system entails doubt in all cases of human judgement in respect to the value of life. (They must then take into account the entire medical field, capital punishment, etc)

I was hoping to see some anti-abortionists in here, arguing for themselves. It seems my stereotype that anti-abortionists are typically not very bright seems to, yet again, make its self more apparent in that the only one in here realizing a valid arguement against abortion is, himself, a pro-choicer.
(Then again, the other pro-choicers in here weren't bright enough to know it, eh? haha)

Just joshing you guys.
I didn't take time to read every single post, so I don't know anything.

Later!
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[SPK]

A) I don't see 90% anywhere in the article either.
B) I neither have nor want a daughter.
C) That's an appeal to emotion.
D) That has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue I was responding to.
E) I'm pro abortion, so addressing me personally doesn't address any anti-abortion arguments or stances.


Which he took to be a "big risk". Big isn't defined as "almost 100%".

Ah, I see I was correct.
Kudos on line E. A true master debater have we!

I agree the article is not open to such wide interpretation. Emotions skew facts at both ends of the spectrum.
Its too bad becasue nothing builds up the opposition better than being faulty on our own turf.

[SPK]

First it's a total lie since nine year olds do not carry eggs to fertilize in the first place

All females carry eggs from birth. It is when a girl ovulates that she becomes liable to pregnancy. It was once typical for this development to take place around the age of 16 and 17, but the age for puberty has been gradually falling. It isn't as uncommon anymore for girls as young as nine or ten to become fertile.

second I would not be oppossed to an abortion in this case...

Ok..

...because the lord makes it clear that only when the life of the mother is at stake shall the mother's life be chosen over that of the unborn child's, and that in doing so the mother performs self defense..

Could you provide a Bible quote for me? I'm ignorant of these things.

Do try to follow when you debate anti-abortionists most of us are christians and you should know by now this one exception we have all talked about it several times.

I have heard the topic discussed many times, but never have I heard a definite stance from either side. That is why we are here debating.

I didn't know that the Bible actually okayed this exception.

Even so, not all anti-abortionists are Christians. Some people don't allow this exception. Valuing human life isn't limited to religion, or even morals. Some times the value of human life is measured in dollars even. Ever think of that? haha

Well, hope to hear your response.