White Privilege

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Sappho Identifying your race before your country therefore, is not polite.

Says who? Racial identity is not polite only if there's subjective judgments attached to it. Otherwise it's an objective reality. That's why I bring up my Hawaiian experience. I'm a haole. I'm neither proud of it nor ashamed of it... I simply am. It's a part of my identity... 6 ft tall, brown hair, brown eyes, 200 lbs, haole.

It can also identify cultural differences. My favorite theatre is currently having an Asian-American film festival. There's no judgments of superiority or inferiority involved... simply explorations on film of what it means to be an Asian-American.

Quote by: Sappho It would be like me saying that I am White Australian...

No it wouldn't because no one seeing you walking down a street in Australia would ever have any reason to DOUBT you were Australian.

Jeez, what's so hard to comprehend here? If you saw a Chinaman, or a black african, or an east Indian walking down the street, would you automatically assume they were Australian? Or would they have to give you a rousing "G'day, mite!" before you were sure?

No... folks would only be surprised if they found out you WEREN'T Australian.

Quote by: Sappho Oh... and in Brazil... it's Portugese Privilege. LOL.

You doubt that's true? Cuz I know some Brazilians who'll tell you it's absolutely true.

In the rest of South America, it would be Criollo privilege, or Castellano.

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[Sappho]

Quote by: Sonart . Says who? Racial identity is not polite only if there's subjective judgments attached to it. Otherwise it's an objective reality. That's why I bring up my Hawaiian experience. I'm a haole. I'm neither proud of it nor ashamed of it... I simply am. It's a part of my identity... 6 ft tall, brown hair, brown eyes, 200 lbs, haole.

Well if it's not impolite, what the hell are you complaining about people doing it?

Because it divides us... well I guess we have to wear the consequences of polite behaviour don't we... unless of course the consequences suggest it's not polite to declare racial varience in the first place.

Otherwise... I thought you were American with Haole hereditary?

Pot. Kettle. Black.
(You just did what you complained of others doing)

It can also identify cultural differences. My favorite theatre is currently having an Asian-American film festival. There's no judgments of superiority or inferiority involved... simply explorations on film of what it means to be an Asian-American.

Why not call it by the genre, theme or location? What is sooooo significant about race that it gets top billing above and beyond the films? Does the Asian-American film festival exclude all non-asian races from entering... Is that why it's in the Title?

No it wouldn't because no one seeing you walking down a street in Australia would ever have any reason to DOUBT you were Australian.

Or I guess by your racist estimations, would they think I was other than British if I was walking along the Thames, or would they think I was other than German in Zurich, or Swiss in Burn, or American in America.... is that how it goes?

Rather racist don't you think? All those nations described have within their boarders... Multiculturalism made up of many races... but you would deny them their place in High Civilization because that concept of High Civilization is the invention of White People therefore only white people shall be associated with it, or could ever possibly live in it!

Clearly then, I do not like that way of thinking, nor do I partake of it... hense my next response.

Jeez, what's so hard to comprehend here?

Your racist attitude that bubbles under the surface of false indignation.

If you saw a Chinaman, or a black african, or an east Indian walking down the street, would you automatically assume they were Australian? Or would they have to give you a rousing "G'day, mite!" before you were sure?

We have had Chinese Asians in Australia since the Gold Rushes of yore... even had opium dens in China Town Melbourne that the police finally inflitrated in the 50s. They speak with the Aussie Strain you know so easy to pick as Australian.

I've already spoken of Africans in this thread in terms of the Refugees we take from Africa. We also take semi skilled and skilled migrants from Africa. The former has perm residency status, although not citizens unless they choose it. The latter are temp residence who can apply for a perm visa at their will. I don't doubt that there are some Africans who have decided upon citizenship or who have children born in Australia.

So, whilst I cannot asume straight up that they are citizens of Australia, I can very easily determine if they are residents or not, not by the colour of their skin, but by their dress and camera accessories or lack thereof.

Man... when I'm in a train, on my way to work, I am amongst a veritable sea of skin types from asian to black, from white to coffee and we all of us look like we are going to work, with our work clothes and work bags making our intentions rather obvious.

[Matt W]

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[namguy69]

Correct you are...

[ironeagle]

Poor people have limited opportunity, and some poor people are white and some are blck, so I see no real reason to turn that into a white priveledge thing. I got no money too, and I cna't blame it on my race.