White Privilege

[Matt W]

Quote by: DarRodi341 I was just stating my opion

And your opinion looks remarkably like a generalisation that some would call racist. I suggest you re-examine it.

[southernbread]

ive seen alot of stuff on here and ive been told alot of stuff about the race card considering im from the south... but never the less. I think thats its not a bad thing that people dont like obama.. its not that he's black, its because hes muslim not christian. SO, all america sees is our troops going to war against muslims and there absurd beliefs. Thats why people have a problem with him. Why put someone in charge that belives the very same ways about life as the people were fighting. I do say that we have two bad choices. I neither like mccain nor obama but im gonna pick the lesser of the two evils. All throughout this debate you question weather or not he will be smart enough to carry out the responsibilities of the united states government. First off, there is a such thing as people dont do good on tests and arent vey good in school but when the crap hits the fan works great under pressure. Then theres the opposite. People who ace tests and dont perform to standard. So we cant really say by what school u go to or what degree u have weather or not ur a good canidate for president. MY 2nd point. Since when is the president the only person making the decisions? yeah he has advisors. dont u think everything that the president reads or does goes through them? yeah they do. HE or she(haha) has all the resources of every technology in the united states and of the country for that matter. So if hes having a question about a atom bomb. or a biilll about the enviroment he will have the experts in there to ADVISE him. the thing is with presidents. they have to look pretty for the public and kinda have a people personality not to piss some other country people off. What we need is someone with southern hospitality and just a good OLE boy to run for president. he could tell everyone how it is and not lie about everything. but thats enough for now. tell me what yall think.
Southernbread... voting to stay alive

[DarRodi341]

Quote by: DarRodi341 Black people will alway tell everyone that they feel oppresed, its an easy cruch for them. But as you can tell there not. Obama is black (most likly not even a citizen of the U.S) and is running of office.

Sorry you were right. This does sound reallt generalistic, let me restate it.

Most "minority" people that I know will clam to be oppressed, casue it is an east cruch for them. When in reality, they are at the same level as the non minority.

[Zakari]

You don't think Obama is a US citizen? Your knowledge of your own laws regarding presidency candidates is as ropey as your spelling!

If you think that Black people always use oppression as a crutch - do you think white people use that fact as a chip on their own shoulders?

[DarRodi341]

Quote by: Zakari You don't think Obama is a US citizen? Your knowledge of your own laws regarding presidency candidates is as ropey as your spelling! If you think that Black people always use oppression as a crutch - do you think white people use that fact as a chip on their own shoulders?

No I don't. Not when his grandma stated that she was in the a hospital in Kenya, watching him be born. Also I am sorry about my spelling, I am doing alot of things at the moment. Thankyou for putting up with it though.


(( Heres my link: MINA Breaking News - US Democrat says Obama's Grandma confirmed he is born in Kenya ))

I believe that some do. And some white people do. Personaly im just stating an observation.

[Jack]

While this is getting wildly off-topic, this should be noted.

The accusation in your link is being made by one man who claims to have evidence:

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

Why is he waiting? Perhaps because he's not interested in "doing the right thing" but rather in disrupting the election. I'll be interested in hearing his evidence whenever he finally decides to release it. I'll also be interested in hearing the opinions of audio experts after they examine his recording. The validity of it will have to be established. This is all going to be accomplished in 7 days? I doubt it. Which is perhaps why he's delaying the release of that tape. It sounds much more like a last-minute disinformation campaign to me than an honest effort to find the truth. Do Americans think that intelligence agencies are not asked to verify a candidate's eligibility to run for office? It took six months to do a special background investigation on me just to get a top secret clearance. Is becoming president less important or worthy of fact checking?

Can we please get back to the topic?

[Shade]

Quote by: Jack It took six months to do a special background investigation on me just to get a top secret clearance. Is becoming president less important or worthy of fact checking?

Less important or not is not the issue. The fact is, there is no government agency that "officially" verifies whether or not a presidential candidate is constitutionally qualified. I guess it is up to the parties when they make their nominations -- or the House of Representatives, when the Electoral College vote is officially confirmed.

I agree with your thoughts about Berg, in terms of wanting to see and hear the real evidence (audio recording of Obama's grandmother) ...

... HOWEVER ...

... anyone interested in the election (not me, all that much), should want to be assured that Obama is legally qualified. I get the impression that Obama supporters don't care (but they would if it was Arnold).

Simple question: If he is constitutionally qualified, why the runaround from him when asked for proof?

[Matt W]

Once more. Let's get back on-topic.

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[ironeagle]

I think it's really childish to attack spelling as some of us have dislexia, so let's not stoop to that level.I don't think Darodi is not acting racists in fact the way his post was immediatley attacked is just proof to me that black people have more privledges than white, because had his post been only about white people no one would have said a thing.

[southernbread]

does anyone really care if were raciest towards a different religion? i dont care

[Matt W]

You should. Remember why the Founding Fathers fled Europe? Religious persecution.

[southernbread]

wow please good sir read what ur writing... the first people who came over were prisioners... they didnt want to come over thank u... very few came over voulintary. and plus it doesnt matter to me because MY People were the first americans. the native americans...
thank u...
southernbread wondering whos teaching our youth about america...

[Zakari]

If you really believe that, then you need to go back to school again. Unless your school books are covered in stickers warning you that it's all a theory and not God's Truth....

As for dyslexia - spellcheck?

[Matt W]

Quote by: southernbread wow please good sir read what ur writing... the first people who came over were prisioners... they didnt want to come over thank u... very few came over voulintary. and plus it doesnt matter to me because MY People were the first americans. the native americans... thank u... southernbread wondering whos teaching our youth about america...

Hello....anybody there? Founding Fathers. You are aware of that term? Pilgrim Fathers? Thanksgiving? Ringing any bells? In your own time...and 'youth' is really not a term I'd use when describing me, but thanks for the compliment.

[Athena]

Quote by: SoylentGreen And isn't that what america is about. Who has power and who does not.

This is a federalist and republican disagreement. Jefferson favored a weak federal government and leaving as much power as possible in the hands of the people, and supported the French Revolution. He believed mass education was essential to a strong republic and spent his fortune on promoting mass education. However, he also was clearly a priviliege White, constructing his home so that Blacks were clearly kept separate from the Whites. But heck, I remenber being a maid at the Hilton, and employees were to enter from the back door. It remains fairly common to separate those served from those being served, to this day. Teachers are known to judge their students, on their addresses, and being from the wrong neighborhood is a serious disadvantage, regardless of your skin color.

Democracy is an ideal, and if the idealism is not learned, it can not be manifest. Education for technology is not the liberal education we need for a strong republic. When we lack ideals essential to decision making, we end up basing our decisions on our feelings, and this brings democracy to its lowest level. Government is to govern, and we are wittnessing what a disaster government is when every decision is based on money instead of ideals.

Racism lacking the ideals of democracy is ugly. Conversely, democracy can not tolerate racism. It is pretty much a matter of if we are going to be as the gods and govern ourselves with reason, or be as the animals and govern ourselves with emotion. Education for technology brings us to governing ourselves as animals, a return to might makes right, and then shifting to a police state to maintain control of a population functioning at the level of animals. But ideally the US stands for democracy and rule by reason. That is why education is so important, but that doesn't seem to be understood today.

Our government must oppose racism and the conditions of poverty, because it must defend idealism in order to manifest democracy. Does that make sense?

[Athena]

Quote by: southernbread wow please good sir read what ur writing... the first people who came over were prisioners... they didnt want to come over thank u... very few came over voulintary. and plus it doesnt matter to me because MY People were the first americans. the native americans... thank u... southernbread wondering whos teaching our youth about america...

Good grief, that is a distorted veiw of history! People very willing came from all over Europe. Some came for adventure, some came for a chance to have a better life, and some came for religious or political reasons.

All of Europe was autocratic and autocratic governments shared power with autocratic religion, each supporting the other. There were strong religious and political reasons for moving into the wilderness out of the reach of the old world, where people could try something new.

The term native American, is like the term Christian. Both terms suggest one group of people and neither are in fact one group of people. Each tribe believed it is the privileged tribe. Some came together and became the model for our federal government, and others did not.
You could be from a tribe with ideals I would agree with, or a tribe with ideals I find repugnant. Like which tribe was the first one?

[ironeagle]

The first people to come to america from Britain were doing so for the King, to make money off of the land to find gold, and other resoources, yes slave were brought over eventually. My ancestors happen to be both Cherokee indian and English. So who cares anymore I know I sure don't care. We need to spend more time worring about what's happening now. There is no priveledge to being white, unless you call being required to pay our own way into Yale and Harvard and expensive colledges.

[southernbread]

wow ok once again my point has been over looken. CHristopher colombus was not the first person in america, he is the first person who claimed it for a king or queen. that is it. and prisioners not slaves were on his boat thats how he got the boat in the first place.. next off the native american thing... u need to care about it. everyone else is forgeting there hertiage. im tired of people forgeting there roots just to fit in with everyone else.. how can u compare ur race to something as petty as going to college. thats why the black race is so low nowdays. its because they sold there selfs short in the begening. thats right im not racest by any means but people who sell there own people is what happened to them and thats why people grip today because we say that whites put themselves higher than blacks... its not that. its how u carry urself. obama carries himself high and he gets treated high he dont need the race card pulled to get votes.... if ur a piece of white trash u act like it... if ur a n bomb u act like it ... thats the way life is no need to classifie it as white black bull crap.. its people who we judge not color my friends

[SoylentGreen]

SapphoIt is a white nation

Then be thankful you are ( I assume ) white. If you weren't then you might be working to change that.

The rest of your post tells me you are well aware of white privilege and how to argue for it.

[Sappho]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Then be thankful you are ( I assume ) white. If you weren't then you might be working to change that. The rest of your post tells me you are well aware of white privilege and how to argue for it.

LOL... Thank you for the debate Soylent. I very much enjoyed it.

As to white privilege, if i don't argue in its favour... who will? What kind of debate would it be without both sides represented?