The Smoking Bans

[The Bacon Guy]

Switch the words around and the same argument could be applied to banning perfume or strong-smelling foods from public places.

[Kamehameha34]

Why are people just ignoring the point Bacon is making?

[ironeagle]

Let's stay on topic this forum is about smoking bans and peoples opinions on the bans , not on wether or not smoking is right or wrong or is or isn't unhealthy.

I know for a fact the man who passed the smoking ban in Iowa was illegaly paid a million dollars to do so. What I don't understand is why people who want to sit around each others smoke shouldn't have the right to do so? you don't have the right to be in a bar, you don't have the right to be in a store. You have the priveledge if the owner allows you to, and I say let their rules be the guiding force. Again the constitution is being violated and that is the highest law of our land. I also find it hard to take people seriously who complain about the poisonous tabacco, but yet drive cars who's poisons leak into the atmosphere daily causing pollution, people who complain about cancer, yet go and sit in tanning beds, exposing their bodies to the deadliest form of cancers including malenoma. People who support the railroad even though many of the trains are run by coal and causre pollution everyday, people who take pills which poison their bodies, drink and drive, and on and on. Why is it only the smokers being picked on? I'd like to tax tanners and extra $4.00 per tan because tanning can cause skin cancer. I'd like to tax alchohol another $4.oo per six pack because alchoholism causes liver and kidney failure, can cause people to abuse their children and family, kill people with their cars when they drive drunk and cause death to themselves once they have destroyed the excretory sytem.

[5010]

I think there is something clearly wrong when you see a smoking ban in a parking garage. The cars are allowed to smoke but the humans aren't? In Dallas, they passed a ban on smoking in all public parks. Gimme a break. People are getting more exposure to cancer from the hot texas sun shining on them vs some occasional waft of smoke if the wind is just right. They should've banned sunlight! And anyways, how do these people even notice tobacco smoke when they are all firing up bar-b-que pits with lighter-fluid-soaked charcoal?

And as for business? The gov't should allow them to decide. If the public wants non-smoking places, they'll do their biz there, and biz will cater to them. The only requirement I would agree with is to make the biz put up a sign saying whether or not smoking goes on there.

[ironeagle]

5010 I agree with you . I think their are really alot of business owners who don't want smoking in their establishements and there are plenty of places to go where their isn't smoking to have fun and entertain. However in some small towns they are far and in between, but again you have the right to go out of town to a non-smioking bar, and you also have the right to buy a pool table put it in your basement and invite friends to your house where you do not allow smoking to come hang out. If I want to go to the bar and hang out with friends who like to smoke and they all want to do it too, why should we have to go away or spend half the night outside just to enjoy ourselves? It's irritating and the bars loose alot of money becuase the clients spend half their time outside smoking instead of buying another beer or mixed drink. So far of the couple of people I have heard complaining about smoke and being glad the smoking ban was comming, I have not yet seen a single one of them enter the bar since the ban started.

[another day]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy Switch the words around and the same argument could be applied to banning perfume or strong-smelling foods from public places.

Exactly. I know many people with serious allergies/reactions to perfumes/colognes or other artificial body scents. My doctor has a policy that no one can wear perfume in his office for this reason, patients included obviously. My stepmom gets massive migraines when she is around perfume. So what's the difference? If smoking is banned in public so should perfume and cologne be. (of course, the better option would be to ban neither)

The whole smoking ban is a huge trend of BS social engineering. In vancouver they have taken it so far as to ban smoking in all restaurant/bar patios! The business owners who spent thousands of dollars building patios and smoking rooms for their customers to smoke in after the indoors ban were shafted a year later.

And now people just stand infront of the restaurant on the sidewalk, blowing smoke at all the people who walk by. What's the difference?

Next they are setting their sights for the beachs. Their excuse? People leave their butts in the sand. Great, so I want McDonald's banned because I always see their soda cups and meal bags floating around in the gutters.

[Nono]

Quote by: day What's the difference?

For one thing, the difference is that restaurant employees aren't obliged to breath that shit. Or people sitting on the beach and some asshole comes along and starts filling their lungs with toxic fumes that they find disgusting.

That's the difference.

As for perfumes, strong-smelling foods, budgie farts or whatever, hey if a significant portion of the population gets up in arms about it, then I'd say that people would have to refrain, in the interests of society (a word the I-do-whatever-I-damn-well-please-because-it's-my-freaking-right crowd don't have in their vocabulary).

And by the way, have you ever heard of people organizing themselves against perfume, etc? Neither have I.

[ironeagle]

I can't read one more sniff story about the bar or resturant employees who clearly have a choice to not work in the smoking bars. It was their choice to breath it in. Had they been against it they would have picked a different job. Many people inhale dangeros fumes as part of their jobs, but at what point do they need to decide to stop working in dangerous atmospheres?