The Smoking Bans

[snowbird]

Quote by: shrike Ok imagine that someone goes near you with a needle and start piercing you with it you always have a choice and move aside. Do you think such situation is acceptable?

Piercing you with a needle or stand aside??

[snowbird]

What kind of stupid analogy is that?

[thrashee]

Quote by: Nono Thing is, thrash, I believe people should have a right to smoke-free air, i.e. to not have some asshole smoking at a bus stop, say. You're required to stand there if you want to take the bus, so in practical terms you can't leave. Yet some dingbat is puffing away.

I can understand that, although circumstances like that I think have more to do with consideration rather than rights. I've grown a lot more conscious of smoking in public, and usually try to step aside so I'm not blowing smoke at people.

[snowbird]

Right on Thrashee and that includes..Me too

[ironeagle]

I think that people who want to congregate and want to drink and also want to sit next to each other and smoke, should have the right as free citizens to do so and if the owner of the establishment also wants this to happen then the non smoker really doesn't have the right to come in ruin the party and say I don't like it stop doing it. They do have the right to go home or go to a non smoking bar.

[snowbird]

Right on Ironeagle:)

It all boils down to choices

For the owner and the potential customers.

[ironeagle]

Which is why in places like schools and hospitals where other people are trusting an establishment to take the best care of their loved ones I understand disallowing smoking, just not in people's homes, cars or in places where adults socialize.

[shrike]

Quote by: backon Neither does second hand smoke in an open area.

It doesn't matter when you stand at bus station you have to be here and you inhale the smoke. What is matter is a proximity to the smoker.

Quote by: snowbird What kind of stupid analogy is that?

Do you have some real answer or you think piercing others with a needle is ok?

[Kamehameha34]

It doesn't matter when you stand at bus station you have to be here and you inhale the smoke. What is matter is a proximity to the smoker.

So essentially your argument is:

"I don't care if second has no effect in an open space, it's just bad!"

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Shirke It doesn't matter when you stand at bus station you have to be here and you inhale the smoke. What is matter is a proximity to the smoker.

Same goes for people with strong perfume or body odour. Should they be banned from public places?

[blue saki]

When this smoking ban crap first started, I said to myself......... self, this is a slippery slope. Lo and behold, some municipalities have now passed legislation to ban smoking in cars and condos. I believe Cal. is now proposing such in the form of a statewide ban.

All I can say is righteous, politically correct, elitist jerks asked for it............ you got it. Just pay your higher taxes for closed businesses, lost revenue, and the fines for smoking in your own residences, cars and businesses and shut the hell up.

No, I am not a smoker, but thanks for nothin.

[thrashee]

Quote by: blue saki I believe Cal. is now proposing such in the form of a statewide ban.

Now why doesn't something like that surprise me, coming out of Cali?

[shrike]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 "I don't care if second has no effect in an open space, it's just bad!"

Where did I say it? I say because people can get away from the smoke and stop inhaling it. Smoking should be forbidden at public places like bus station even if it's open area because the effect is the same.

Quote by: bacon Same goes for people with strong perfume or body odour. Should they be banned from public places?

Why do you repeat same thing over and over? You didn't proved that smoking in open spaced don't cause cancer

[thrashee]

Quote by: shrike Smoking should be forbidden at public places like bus station even if it's open area because the effect is the same.

How can the nonsmoker not get away from the smoke at a bus station? Besides, I'd be more worried about the effects of the exhaust once that bus pulls up than I would be from the smoker.

[Kamehameha34]

Where did I say it? I say because people can get away from the smoke and stop inhaling it. Smoking should be forbidden at public places like bus station even if it's open area because the effect is the same.

The "effect" you're talking about is just 'smelliness', since second hand smoke in a wide open space has pretty much no consequence - which applies to strong perfume and body odor, as Bacon Guy pointed out.

Why do you repeat same thing over and over? You didn't proved that smoking in open spaced don't cause cancer

Why don't you learn how the legal system works?

We don't outlaw things because no one's "proved they aren't bad."

You're the one suggesting that smoking should be outlawed in open places such as bus stops, it's up to you to prove that it's harmful.

[shrike]

Why don't you learn how the legal system works? We don't outlaw things because no one's "proved they aren't bad." You're the one suggesting that smoking should be outlawed in open places such as bus stops, it's up to you to prove that it's harmful.

I proved that second smoke is harmful. You claim that is not correct on certain circumstances so you should prove it.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Shirke I proved that second smoke is harmful.

You proved that it's harmful in enclosed spaces; not in open areas.

[Nono]

Quote by: Bacon So do you believe someone with body odour or strong perfume is also infringing upon your rights?

Tobacco smoke not only makes a disgusting stink, it's also relatively poisonous.

Sorry, Bacon, but in your pro-tobacco zeal you completely overlook the rights of people who hate having that shit in the air. They're having their rights infringed.

And you call yourself a libertarian??

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Nono Tobacco smoke not only makes a disgusting stink, it's also relatively poisonous.

No evidence that the toxins are at significant enough levels in the open air to pose a threat to bystanders. Any toxicologist will tell you that dose is the main determining factor in toxicity.

Quote by: Nono Sorry, Bacon, but in your pro-tobacco zeal you completely overlook the rights of people who hate having that shit in the air. They're having their rights infringed.

No such right exists if the shit in question has not been proven to pose any threat. Unless you have proof that second-hand smoke is harmful in an open area, it's no more an infringement of your rights than any other odour. You may hate the smell of it but then I hate the small of cheese. I don't, however, claim the right to ban people from consuming it in a public place.

By the way, I'm not pro-tobacco; I'm anti-anti-tobacco.

It is simply unsupportable that smokers--and others who pollute the air--claim that it is their right to use the atmosphere as their personal open sewer. It's even more unsupportable when this "right" is claimed by nicotine addicts who haven't even the basic courtesy or decency to get their fixes away from descent people.