Why do mexicans stare at me?

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Athena Excuse me, freedom of speech did not mean bad manners and insulting people. Our freedom of speech was based on ideals of good manners and morals and stressing human dignity.

Nope, where'd you come up with this idea? What you've just said, as I'm sure you understand; is that my freedom is speech is limited by what offends you. It isn't. I'm guarenteed the freedom to offend anyone.

Now, certainly there is propriety, and I have to live with the results of my expressing myself. You have the right to dislike me; even to hate me because of what I say, but you do not have the right to physically attack me. If you do, then I have the right to defend myself.

But the thrust of your post is correct. That being it'd be much better if we considered the feelings of others before we open our big fat traps. Being nice is always best. But that being said, if I feel the need to, I can and have the right, to offend anybody that I chose to offend.

We slide into a hate speech debate here. I don't like the term, because it means that someone else has gets to attach a motivation to my speech thereby limiting it. I have the right to be hateful, but I agree it's not the best way to behave.

Certainly we'd have a more pleasant nation of we always took into consideration the feelings of others, but we have the right not to. And that's my point.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Deadeye Learn to not take offense so easily. Now that you live in America you have to understand our freedoms. One of which is the freedom of speech. We can, therefore; by dictum say what we please. If you take offense so easily then be prepared to be offended most of the time.

She also has the right to criticize racism for those exact reasons, Deadeye.

Quote by: Deadeye Now, certainly there is propriety, and I have to live with the results of my expressing myself. You have the right to dislike me; even to hate me because of what I say, but you do not have the right to physically attack me. If you do, then I have the right to defend myself.

lol, wow.. calm down. Athena's not physically attacking you. Hypersensitive, much?

[MiSsiNgFaDe2BlK]

hey...i didnt mean to for it to sound like i was so offended. ill admit, i was a little upset over what some people said, but i realize now that they simply dont understand.
not all mexicans are here illegally. some are, yes. but...for the most part, the ones that are here illegally are just trying to have a better life, if not for themselves then for their families. there are better opportunites here than there are in mexico. im just saying...is it such a bad thing to want to live a better life? i mean, can you honestly look someone in the eye and say ''no, you cannot make your life better. you cannot live here. get out of my country''?
why are mexicans viewed as such a threat?
and um, by the way...when you said ''Now that you live in America, you have to understand our freedoms...'' well, i wasnt born in mexico. i didnt immigrate here. my grandmother did. and are you gonna be the one to tell my 79 year old grandmother to leave?
i fully understand all the freedoms we have as americans.
sry, i know i wasnt clear earlier and that youre just trying to get a point across...but uh...what you just said was being vErY stereotypical, by assuming i was an immigrant. and that i didnt understand the freedoms of americans.

[MiSsiNgFaDe2BlK]

dont know where you got the idea someone was 'physically attacking' you...

[SisterTwisted]

Dont care if America is LIKED. So what. So we are hated. Jealousy being the root. No one here is starving.

[SisterTwisted]

Freedom is only awarded to CITIZENS no other country can you go and demand rights that you didnt earn.
No one else lets illegals flood their borders. We are too nice. It is time we will toughen up. There is a hotbed of hostility brewing here, near boiling now.
Mexico is our slave.

[Matt W]

You may have noticed, slavery is illegal. It's nice to se such a shining example of American values.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Matt W You may have noticed, slavery is illegal. It's nice to se such a shining example of American values.

She represents a VERY small minority. Like, Westboro baptist church minority.

[Shade]

Maybe they think you look like a cop.

That has happened to me. More of a challenging stare down than just general staring. It's not very many Mexicans that do that. Most ignore me or are openly friendly. But some of the thug wannabes will try to stare me down, I've noticed.

[Athena]

Quote by: Deadeye Nope, where'd you come up with this idea? What you've just said, as I'm sure you understand; is that my freedom is speech is limited by what offends you. It isn't. I'm guarenteed the freedom to offend anyone. Now, certainly there is propriety, and I have to live with the results of my expressing myself. You have the right to dislike me; even to hate me because of what I say, but you do not have the right to physically attack me. If you do, then I have the right to defend myself. But the thrust of your post is correct. That being it'd be much better if we considered the feelings of others before we open our big fat traps. Being nice is always best. But that being said, if I feel the need to, I can and have the right, to offend anybody that I chose to offend. We slide into a hate speech debate here. I don't like the term, because it means that someone else has gets to attach a motivation to my speech thereby limiting it. I have the right to be hateful, but I agree it's not the best way to behave. Certainly we'd have a more pleasant nation of we always took into consideration the feelings of others, but we have the right not to. And that's my point.

I think what you said is foolish. Freedom of speech needs to be limited by morals, because if it is not, it is immoral. Now that doesn't mean we can prevent immoral speech, so the harm of it will be done, and arguing for your right to be offensive, is about like arguing for your right to piss in your own swimming pool. Sure you can do it, but sooner of later the result will not be a good thing. That makes your right a wrong. It is simple logic.

[Athena]

Quote by: SisterTwisted Dont care if America is LIKED. So what. So we are hated. Jealousy being the root. No one here is starving.

Wow are you mistaken. Civilizations fall and the US is not looking so healthy at the moment. When Rome got into trouble, the surrounding countries hated it, and it never regained its wealth and glory. I think now, world cooperation is very important to the US.

[Athena]

Quote by: MiSsiNgFaDe2BlK hey...i didnt mean to for it to sound like i was so offended. ill admit, i was a little upset over what some people said, but i realize now that they simply dont understand. not all mexicans are here illegally. some are, yes. but...for the most part, the ones that are here illegally are just trying to have a better life, if not for themselves then for their families. there are better opportunites here than there are in mexico. im just saying...is it such a bad thing to want to live a better life? i mean, can you honestly look someone in the eye and say ''no, you cannot make your life better. you cannot live here. get out of my country''? why are mexicans viewed as such a threat? and um, by the way...when you said ''Now that you live in America, you have to understand our freedoms...'' well, i wasnt born in mexico. i didnt immigrate here. my grandmother did. and are you gonna be the one to tell my 79 year old grandmother to leave? i fully understand all the freedoms we have as americans. sry, i know i wasnt clear earlier and that youre just trying to get a point across...but uh...what you just said was being vErY stereotypical, by assuming i was an immigrant. and that i didnt understand the freedoms of americans.

I have heard citizens of the US can not own property in Mexico. Do you know if this is correct?

The poor of any country are considered a threat to all. I have heard it is not possible to stay long in many countries without the ability to prove one has adequate money to support him./her self. I have it is very hard to enter Australia and that a person prove of value to the country, before being welcomed.

The US aquired land from Mexico through war and peace treaties, and Mexicans were allowed to retain their property following the war and the choice of being Mexican or US citizens. I believe a treaty also made it law that some areas are to be bi lingual. Perhaps we should know more of these treaties?

There is also a question of what makes a person anything? How is it one can be born in the US and a Mexican or a Jew (that is making more out of being a Jew than a religious choice? People with African heritage born in the US are not African, no matter how much they may want to be, because they are not grown up in Africa. They would be as complete strangers in Africa. The US is a melting pot, and those born here are US citizens. Their linage may be European, Asian, African, Mexican, but they are US citizens.

Mexicans are mixed with Spanish blood. Do they have different terms for Mexicans mixed with Spanish blood and those who are not? There are cultural and class differences aren't there? Is someone who has no native blood, but only Spanish blood lines, Mexican? What makes such a person Mexican? Heritage? then how could a Spanard born in Mexico be Mexican? But surely on a passport, if this person is born in Mexico this person is Mexican, right?

Why are we making these distinctions anyway?

[Matt]

Quote by: SisterTwisted Mexico is Americas B****

And Canada is America's head


Now, going on topic. In Canada we have very few hispanics (but we are ever more culturely diverse then America per capita, just in other ways), so I have no way of helping you answer your question. I think a lot of people here have given some pretty good guesses as to why, eg. that they think you could be a cop undercover and such.

[Tycoon]

Mexico is our slave.

This is not true at all - surely you realize that illegal immigrants come here for a reason? Conditions are no better there, if anything worse. They come here for the opportunities we present, and should those opportunities cease to exist, they will leave.

[Tycoon]

Funny, recent predictions show that by 2042, whites will be the minority here.

Those predictions are extremely faulty, for they are based entirely on the current rate of illegal immigration. That rate will decrease over time as opportunities cease to exist.

[Athena]

Quote by: Tycoon Those predictions are extremely faulty, for they are based entirely on the current rate of illegal immigration. That rate will decrease over time as opportunities cease to exist.

It is not just a matter of immigration, and it is not just about Mexicans. Hispanics have a higher birth rate, and Whites becoming the minority includes all the different races. On this subject, I think of India and what appears to be centuries of racial mixing. It is only a guess, but in cultures where harems existed, racial mixing may have been more acceptable? Or may be centuries of mixing reduced the distinctions we have in a country that remain segregated for so long? I do think we need to get over our hang up on the distinctions between us, get past the superfacial judgements of looks.

This may sound corny, but in my family it was said, "look for God in everyone". I think the Hindus tend to be more reverent of everyone. The US is strange, both practicing segregation and also being proud of being a melting pot. Really what values do we want to dominate? What is the most moral behavior?

[Matt W]

Athena, Hindus are just as bad as everyone else. There's a fair bit of racial and sectarian tension in India - you just don't hear about it on the worldwide news so often.

[Athena]

Truth is often hidden by confusion and paradox. As I read what you said Matt, my reaction was agreement with you. I vaguely remember something of conflicts among the people in India and of course the regunance of the cast system. I googled racial conflict in India, to prove myself wrong and you correct. Truth being most important, right?

I found the following, and it dawn on me, if ignore the good in the world, because there is a wrong mixed in the good, it is like throwing water on a fire, only this time, the fire is of good. There is much good in Hinduism, and we have perhaps been unaware of the importance of Indian leaders, seerers and poets?

We are speaking of human problems, and perhaps this is our opportunity to learn of the fire of good, and to spread this fire with awareness of it and what humans have achieved? Humans have achieved great things, and we might raise the level of human potential by focusing on what has been achieved, along with acknwoledging problems when we are aware of them?

The following is a lesson in humilation. I thought only the US was responsible for ending apartide, and I was wrong. In the US we have an exagerated sense of our value in the world, because all our media stresses our acts of goodness as though we are the only people doing good things. I think we need to grow up, and acknowledge our wrongs and the leader of goodness of others., then we won't be hated.

INDIA AND THE STRUGGLE AGAINST APARTHEID India's contribution to the struggle against apartheid has been highly praised by the leaders of the freedom movement in South Africa. Nelson Mandela, the outstanding leader of that movement, paid a handsome tribute to India and its leaders in a letter smuggled out of Robben island prison in 1980. Great appreciation has also been expressed by African leaders for the role of India since 1946 in promoting international support for the freedom struggle in South Africa, and its many actions and initiatives in solidarity with the oppressed people of that country. While such expressions of appreciation are most gratifying, it must be emphasised that the contribution by the Government and people of India to the freedom movement in South Africa is more than an act of solidarity. It has deep roots in India's own struggle for freedom and dignity. The humiliations and indignities to which the people of Indian origin were subjected in South Africa, and the struggle for their human dignity led by Mahatma Gandhi, have had a great influence on the Indian national movement. Under the leadership of Mahatma Gandhi and Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, it had developed an international outlook, espousing uncompromising opposition to colonialism and racism and recognising that India's own freedom was meaningless unless all the peoples under colonial and racist domination were free. It felt a particular affinity with the freedom movements in South Africa and other African countries.

We call American aborginal people Indians, and all over America they have struggled for their freedom, while those of European dissent have struggled to dominate, and have maintained their exploitation of the land the natives. Are we blind to our own evil and the good of others?

By the way, the answer to US citizens not being able to buy land in Mexico, is that some of the land was nationalized and like the reservations in the US is reserved for the natives. There is privately land in Mexico that anyone can buy, but care must be taken to be sure it is privately owned land, and not reservation land.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: johnh Though some of you may call me a racist, the fact is I'm just making an observation. This happens often when I'm in a public place: the grocery store, the mall, on the street. They do it in packs and it makes me uncomfortable. For whatever reason, Hispanics feel the need to stare at me. It's as if they've never seen a white person before. I can understand starring at some 'hot mama' as I sometimes do. But they regularly stare at me :I'm just a normal white guy. I've talked to other people and they have shared with me a similar experience. It's quite creepy. They usually have a disgustingly smug look on their face, as if to say "hey buddy, how do you like it now, we are in your country, and there's nothing you can do about it." I'm not saying its all Hispanics, just many of them.

Just FYI, a good way to get people to stop staring at you is to pick your nose.

[ironeagle]

Why do we pretend whites will be a minority most races are intermixed. Why do we ignore that a person is part white, when they are part a minority we say their black, or latino, but we never refer to them as white? Why not they are white too?