Three Strikes and your Out

[ShadowFox]

I've been reading, and I've read that i someone commits three felonies, they get sent to jail for life. I was thinking, does everyone support this? What are your thoughts on this?

[Aussie]

They've tried it here in the Northern Territory with mandatory sentancing. It has little effect.

[Rogue Cardinal]

HAHAHAHA then my cousin is f**ked. She did FOUR felonies in one shot. She could get 80 years if they hit her with the max on each count! Greedy b***h she is! HAHAHAHAHA

[triad]

Quote by: Halofan48 I've been reading, and I've read that i someone commits three felonies, they get sent to jail for life. I was thinking, does everyone support this? What are your thoughts on this?

I think this idea is ignorant to a lot of factors that lead someone to commit a 'felony'.

Age, race, religion, childhood, etc...


Only giving someone 3 chances to become the ideal citizen is like giving a child only 3 chances to become toilet trained before you terminate it. Not very fair, as everyone matures differently - and rebels more or less than others.


I think the three strikes you're out idea is childish and lazy.

[Kickthat]

Quote by: triad I think this idea is ignorant to a lot of factors that lead someone to commit a 'felony'. Age, race, religion, childhood, etc...

You miss one important factor that this seems to be ignorant to - the crime or "felony" itself.

This in my view should depend entirely on how serious the action is. As far as i am concerned, some serious crimes are not punished hard enough these days so it seems strange to think that minor crimes would be punished with life imprisonment.

With 5% of the world population, the United States has 24% of the world's prison population. Why are Americans the most criminal people in the world?

[grandpa]

Quote by: sdbest With 5% of the world population, the United States has 24% of the world's prison population. Why are Americans the most criminal people in the world?

Ask Big Brother.

Grandpa h.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: sdbest With 5% of the world population, the United States has 24% of the world's prison population. Why are Americans the most criminal people in the world?

Mix a government powerful enough to enforce the laws it puts in place with a people less inclined to follow those laws due to poverty or culture or whatever, that's what you get.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Mix a government powerful enough to enforce the laws it puts in place with a people less inclined to follow those laws due to poverty or culture or whatever, that's what you get.

I think poverty (and therefore "crime") would be greatly reduced if and when the people overpower the government.

Grandpa h.

[HeavyThinker]

Quote by: triad Only giving someone 3 chances to become the ideal citizen is like giving a child only 3 chances to become toilet trained before you terminate it. Not very fair, as everyone matures differently - and rebels more or less than others.

That's a pretty horrible analogy. How well did you do on your SATs?

OK, but seriously, that would only be valid if there were kids who are potty trained from birth. In reality, many people go through a long life having never committed a felony.

[shawmutt]

Quote by: sdbest With 5% of the world population, the United States has 24% of the world's prison population. Why are Americans the most criminal people in the world?

I think you ought to ask why other countries don't keep good records of their prisoner population like we do.

I agree with the three felony law, and think we aren't strict enough--we give too many breaks to those that don't deserve them. On the other hand I believe some things should be de-criminalized, like nonviolent drug offenses.

I think poverty (and therefore "crime") would be greatly reduced if and when the people overpower the government.

That's been tried before. Poverty and crime are mainstays due to the human condition. It's like Groundhog Day and Animal Farm mixed together in a mess called human history.

[thrashee]

Quote by: grandpa I think poverty (and therefore "crime") would be greatly reduced if and when the people overpower the government. Grandpa h.

Yeah, the French Revolution proved that, right grandpa?

[thrashee]

Quote by: triad I think this idea is ignorant to a lot of factors that lead someone to commit a 'felony'. Age, race, religion, childhood, etc...

Um. What do any of those things have to do with the fact that they commited--not 1, not 2, but 3--felonies?

Felonies are relatively big deals. Not always huge, to be sure, but still big nonetheless.

If you get 1 felony, you need to rethink your life. Period. The second time, you need to be getting some help, and I mean yesterday.

The 3rd? You're a late bloomer. You can spend the rest of your days pondering what that means in an 8 by 10 cell.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: thrashee Yeah, the French Revolution proved that, right grandpa?

French revolution? I don't think so. Bourgeoisie is exploitating people about as well as monarchy did. We're talking about a socialist revolution, the logical sequel to the french revolution, as Marx said.
Read Marx's interpretation of history. It's very interesting for commie and non-commie alike.
But I agree with this simple equation: no poverty = no crime

[shawmutt]

Quote by: nerdvincent But I agree with this simple equation: no poverty = no crime

So only poor people commit crimes?

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: sdbest With 5% of the world population, the United States has 24% of the world's prison population. Why are Americans the most criminal people in the world?

Because of social inequalities. USA is the only country where you can be poor enough for being pissed, but rich enough to buy a gun.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: shawmutt So only poor people commit crimes?

Nope, but most of crimes are commited by poor people. Rich people commiting crimes just prove that money doesn't cure stupidity.

[HeavyThinker]

I think it would be fair to say rich people commit crimes more often out of greed rather than desperation.

BTW, triad, I would replace your "race" trait with "culture."

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: nerdvincent French revolution? I don't think so. Bourgeoisie is exploitating people about as well as monarchy did. We're talking about a socialist revolution, the logical sequel to the french revolution, as Marx said. Read Marx's interpretation of history. It's very interesting for commie and non-commie alike. But I agree with this simple equation: no poverty = no crime

First of all, no poverty =/= no crime, as long as society tries to provide rules for a stable civilisation, people will break them, poor or not. Crime will be motivated differently, but thenagain, rich suburban kids still sell and buy,drugs, as well as commit every crime that their poor counterparts do. Second, Marx is flawed in many ways, interesting and even enlightening in interpretation, but basically flawed. Third, the poor did take the french revolution far farther than the bourgeoise intended, but eventually you got a return to moderation and eventually a popularly elected military dictatorship because people don't want a radical socialist experiment, they want to be able to live without worrying about survival, in safety, with a sufficient amount of freedom , preferably wthout blood running in the streets of paris.

[chaosthedragon]

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