gays

[ANeWay46]

there is no way it is instinctive to be revolted by the thought of sex with the same sex or not, it is all about what turns you on. Some people find it disgusting to have sex man on man, but others find it disgusting to have sex woman on man or woman on woman. It is all natural, we all just want to feel loved. To feel intimate with someone else. It is our right to do so. My question is why does it matter if someone is open about there sexuality? As long as you dont see them doing the dirty deed on a street corner (that goes for straight people too) there shouldnt be a problem. Its not your life am I right or wrong?


www.aneway.org
Protecting Freedom

[Tycoon]

Of course you're right, but that brings up the question .... why do people care?

Who cares what you think your God says, that doesn't mean you should let that dictate your attitude to those who disagree.

[yourmaster]

Personal taste is taught. You get it from the eating habits that your parents teach you. If your parents fed you olives when you were young you wouldn't find them disgusting.

Oh do be serious, you two have the nerve to call my claim unbased and ridiculous. I've grown up in a family of mushroom addicts, I really mean it, it's hard to find a meal we have without mushrooms, mushrooms are disgusting. You know a food that your family like and feed to you and you don't like, to claim if you've been fed a food from an early age means you must like it is ridiculous, yes parents and what you've eaten from an early age is a major influential factor, it probably takes the majority of influence, but it is not a 1:1 correlation.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Who cares? How does it bother you? Do women wearing men's clothes bother you? They wear jeans and tshirts and suits and crap all the time. What's the difference?

Answer it youself. Open a womans magazine, see the cloths (what they do). Now, why wouldnt you go out, buy them, and wear them every day? Why not?

[yourmaster]

Answer it youself. Open a womans magazine, see the cloths (what they do). Now, why wouldnt you go out, buy them, and wear them every day? Why not?

Because women's clothes aren't my thing, not my style, just because it's someone else's thing and not yours doesn't make it wrong. You're not god.

[Tycoon]

Oh do be serious, you two have the nerve to call my claim unbased and ridiculous. I've grown up in a family of mushroom addicts, I really mean it, it's hard to find a meal we have without mushrooms, mushrooms are disgusting. You know a food that your family like and feed to you and you don't like, to claim if you've been fed a food from an early age means you must like it is ridiculous, yes parents and what you've eaten from an early age is a major influential factor, it probably takes the majority of influence, but it is not a 1:1 correlation.

What else do you think it's going to be then? A genetic factor? Because I honestly don't know what else it could be.

Seeing as you think you know everything you might as well tell me.

[Deadeye]

But unless you were genetically programmed to view these things as turn-offs then they are a product of society.

So tell me, are our brains programmed to find obesity ugly?

No, that's a learned response, because in some societies fat people are considered beautiful.

In some societies homosexuality is considered as a normal practice, albeit somewhat strange. The goal of the homosexual movement in American society is to have their sexual activities accepted as normal and healthy.

The tragic flaw is, of course; their sexual activies are not normal and healthy. Forcing normal people to accept homosexuality is a very large challenge for homosexuals and it's going to be a very hard sell.

[big_lefty]

there is no way it is instinctive to be revolted by the thought of sex with the same sex or not, it is all about what turns you on. Some people find it disgusting to have sex man on man, but others find it disgusting to have sex woman on man or woman on woman. It is all natural, we all just want to feel loved. To feel intimate with someone else. It is our right to do so. My question is why does it matter if someone is open about there sexuality? As long as you dont see them doing the dirty deed on a street corner (that goes for straight people too) there shouldnt be a problem. Its not your life am I right or wrong?


www.aneway.org
Protecting Freedom

Ane, if you're straight, of course the thought of gay sex doesn't turn you on, but rather, it can turn you off. That's what I mean by revulsion- towards the thought of yourself doing it or the image of others doing it. The thought of any sexual pracice (BDSM, anal, etc) that you, personally, don't enjoy, can be just as off-putting.

To your question; you are right, and nobody here is saying it's anyone's business what other people do in bed. The argument is about whether or not private, personal feelings of revulsion about sexual practices that turn us off are caused by social conditioning.

I have considered what sex with a woman might be like, because gay and bisexual friends had told me I was missing out on something great, but every time I pictured it, it made me slightly queasy. Some hysterically politically correct types would say that such feelings are always the result of homophobic social conditioning, but they are wrong.

[big_lefty]

No, that's a learned response, because in some societies fat people are considered beautiful.

In some societies homosexuality is considered as a normal practice, albeit somewhat strange. The goal of the homosexual movement in American society is to have their sexual activities accepted as normal and healthy.

The tragic flaw is, of course; their sexual activies are not normal and healthy. Forcing normal people to accept homosexuality is a very large challenge for homosexuals and it's going to be a very hard sell.

Morbid obesity (meaning a hundred or more pounds over your ideal weight) is not considered beautiful in any society.
In some poor countries, being somewhat overweight carries status because it makes you seem prosperous. But if you can find anywhere on earth where hundreds of pounds of excess blubber is considered attractive, I'll be amazed.

Your nonsense about the goals of the supposed 'homosexual movement" and ridiculous value judgements about normality don't deserve a civil response, but I'll try.
Gay sex is more more inherently unhealthy or healthy than straight sex.
Yours is the standard argument of somebody looking to rationalize his/her hostility towards people who are outside the social norm.

[big_lefty]

Natural yes, but an instinct no.
The origional statement by yourmaster that I disagreed with was

There is no evidence to show that revulsion is an instinctual reaction.
That the brain is hard wired for sexual determination is a natural part of genetics. That instincts of humans go into anything like fear or revulsion is not.

Since you mean instinct in the sense that it is hard-wired into the brain, I would agree. I've seen no conclusive evidence to show that it is.
I use to word in this context in the sense of being motivated by something one is not conscious of. I will recoil at the thought of having sex with a woman, but not because I consciously think it's a bad thing or have anything against lesbians. It's just a turn-off.

[big_lefty]

I wouldn't think that it has anything to do with death, more that society teaches us that obesity is disgusting.

Personal taste is taught. You get it from the eating habits that your parents teach you. If your parents fed you olives when you were young you wouldn't find them disgusting.

I know for a fact that's not true. I spent part of my childhood in Italy and was often given olives by my parents and encouraged to eat them. I found them disgusting at the very first taste and still do.
Think of how many kids out there refuse to eat vegetables, no matter how much their parents cajole them.

[The Bacon Guy]

Morbid obesity (meaning a hundred or more pounds over your ideal weight) is not considered beautiful in any society.
In some poor countries, being somewhat overweight carries status because it makes you seem prosperous. But if you can find anywhere on earth where hundreds of pounds of excess blubber is considered attractive, I'll be amazed.

White Moor Arabs of Mauritania.