Prostitution

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Nono If the brothels in Nevada aren't controlled by the mob, you can knock me over with a feather. (Anyway, the whole state is LOL. But that isn't the point.)

In new zealand it is legal. That doesn't keep the crime element out of it. Mobsters still import asian girls to work illegally. The good side is that police can now concentrate their efforts on the illegal trade going on instead of wasting time and resources on the legal side.
As well prostitutes can and have gone to the police to lay complaint that they were raped. Before it was legal that couldn't be done , for obvious reasons.
Legalising it makes it safer for both worker and customer.

Anyway I'd like to stress my second point (above) as well: It's also a question of human dignity

What is the question of human dignity? Keeping it illegal and leaving it up to the criminal world to run is a sure fire way of making it undignified.
Legalising it and seeing that it is run in an orderly dignified way has to be better.
Or is it something about sex being different in some way to selling your labor.

[Nono]

Quote by: green Is it something about sex being different in some way to selling your labor.

Of course it is. (Though there will always be that 0.01% of the "workforce" who can say to themselves "OK, you loser. You're getting off on my naked body but I'm earning $X -- so who cares?")
Observe any human society and you'll see that sex is a Major Delicate Point. It's undignified to reduce it to the level of the Hallowed Market. Sorry.

Keeping it illegal and leaving it up to the criminal world to run is a sure fire way of making it undignified.

Well the Swedes (who found the liberal approach wasn't working) have changed their law. It's now perfectly legal to pedal your ass to the highest bidder. Only it's illegal to purchase.

So the prostitutes aren't prosecuted, but their clients are.

We'll see how it goes.

[ShadowFox]

Well, currently, prostitution is legal and regulated in Germany, Switzerland, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and some places in Australia and Nevada, and those are just the places I know about. Really, sex has become so much of a taboo here. When my sister went to Europe, she saw many magazines in plain view showing nudity, and they were in plain view. Here in the U.S. that would rarely ever, if ever, happen. Heck, go to India, look at the Kama Sutra... Sex has become this dirty, nasty thing that should always be hidden from society and never spoken in public here. It's sad really.

[Aussie]

Quote by: Halofan48 Well, currently, prostitution is legal and regulated in Germany, Switzerland, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and some places in Australia and Nevada, and those are just the places I know about. Really, sex has become so much of a taboo here. When my sister went to Europe, she saw many magazines in plain view showing nudity, and they were in plain view. Here in the U.S. that would rarely ever, if ever, happen. Heck, go to India, look at the Kama Sutra... Sex has become this dirty, nasty thing that should always be hidden from society and never spoken in public here. It's sad really.

Ah, the yanks have a reputation for being prudes, but in reality...

It's regulated here in Canberra - the nations capital and so far parliament hasn't fallen apart. Chances of catching STDs are eliminated, girls are regularly checked as procedure, blokes are made to shower, cleaniness (this is sounding like i've used the services!!) is assured and most of all, its in a safe environment off the streets.

I mean seriously, who cares if some desperado wants to fork over some pay cause he hasn't had s*x in 2 years. In the situation above, how does it impact on anyone else besides the two consenting adults?

[ThoughtCriminal]

Quote by: Rogue Cardinal Well there is a subtle difference. In prostitution on ly one person gets paid. In porn everybody gets paid. In prostitution you have to pay someone for the service of sex. In porn you are getting to paid to show your sexual skills with another person that is getting paid for the same job you are. But it does make the point even more funny. It's not OK to have sex if only one person gets paid. It's totally OK to have sex if no one gets paid though society in general may frown upon it. It's totally OK to have sex if both parties are paid by a third party that happens to own a video camera! HAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder what would happen if someone decided to avoid the legal problems of prostitution by simply casting themselves in a porno with an "actress" of his choosing. Both get paid, sign video releases and so on. Whether the video every gets published is a fine point.

TC

[ThoughtCriminal]

Quote by: Aussie Ah, the yanks have a reputation for being prudes, but in reality... It's regulated here in Canberra - the nations capital and so far parliament hasn't fallen apart. Chances of catching STDs are eliminated, girls are regularly checked as procedure, blokes are made to shower, cleaniness (this is sounding like i've used the services!!) is assured and most of all, its in a safe environment off the streets. I mean seriously, who cares if some desperado wants to fork over some pay cause he hasn't had s*x in 2 years. In the situation above, how does it impact on anyone else besides the two consenting adults?

I still have reservations, but I have to agree that legalization gives us much more of a chance of controlling the bad side of this profession.

TC

[SoylentGreen]

Nono; Of course it is. (Though there will always be that 0.01% of the "workforce" who can say to themselves "OK, you loser. You're getting off on my naked body but I'm earning $X -- so who cares?")

No, it's not , of course at all. That is your personal dislike not a reasoned answer. If your going to give percentages then give some cited facts to prove it.

Observe any human society and you'll see that sex is a Major Delicate Point. It's undignified to reduce it to the level of the Hallowed Market.

But why is it? Again we can see the influence of religion, and the misconceptions of their weird morality would take the main fault here.

Well the Swedes (who found the liberal approach wasn't working) have changed their law. It's now perfectly legal to pedal your ass to the highest bidder. Only it's illegal to purchase.

It's not in new zealand , it is legal.
Prostitution Law Reform - Ministry of Justice

[Aussie]

Quote by: ThoughtCriminal I still have reservations, but I have to agree that legalization gives us much more of a chance of controlling the bad side of this profession. TC

There's bikie 'influence' with the brothels, but same with the tattoo shops and the dodgy taverns.

At the end of the day, its not an ideal situation, but better to regulate it than drive it underground wheres there's no regulations whatsoever, and STDs will increase.

I'm all for harm minimisation than bans, as bans simply do not work, look at Prohibition. Address the source, dont just apply the bandaid.

[Nono]

Quote by: Aussie ... girls are regularly checked as procedure ...

As are the cattle.

And green, big deal that it's been decriminalized in NZ. Big deal.

Personal dislike? You ever really talked to a prostitute, or an ex-one?

And blame religion all you want -- it's human nature you're talking about and you can't change it.

[Aussie]

Quote by: Nono As are the cattle. And green, big deal that it's been decriminalized in NZ. Big deal. Personal dislike? You ever really talked to a prostitute, or an ex-one? And blame religion all you want -- it's human nature you're talking about and you can't change it.

As are the cattle, whats your point? You never been checked by the doctor for anything?

And I've known a few, really nice girls. One charged $1000 per session and loved her job. The other was doing it to get through university. Quick, lets judge them!

[SoylentGreen]

Nono;As are the cattle.

Which makes me wonder what cattle are used for where you are.

And green, big deal that it's been decriminalized in NZ. Big deal.

Also an example that it can be done.

Personal dislike? You ever really talked to a prostitute, or an ex-one?

Hard job , but the pay is good. Ever talked to a coal miner?

And blame religion all you want -- it's human nature you're talking about and you can't change it.

It has never been human nature , it is conditioning brought about by long time moralities based on religious beliefs. If it was human nature then there wouldn't be all this fuss over it. Cultures of the past have had prostitutes that were accepted, this present day society is only just coming around to that again.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Aussie I've saw a doco regarding social experiments on monkeys which was very very interesting.

At the bottom of the article, it lists the authors, and they have a book called Freakonomics. I just found an interview they did on Charlie Rose. If you want more detail on their research, start here, and look through the related videos.