Prostitution

[Jaaaman]

Quote by: MplsBison All we have to do is change the law to say that selling sex is legal, then it becomes an honest living.

It will never be an honest living in my book.

[MplsBison]

Which part of prostitution is a lie?

[Piscean]

As long as there are desperate men who can't get laid without paying there will always be women using their bodies to make money , legal or not. Maybe if it was legal these women wouldnt have to roam the streets in danger. But the govt. will keep legislating morality because they don't want a transaction going on that they can't tax. So they put people in prison and get bail money.

[Nono]

Quote by: Piscean The govt. will keep legislating morality because they don't want a transaction going on that they can't tax.

Nonsense. If that were the case, they would legalize prostitution pure and simple.

P, unless you advocate letting everybody do absolutely whatever they want (kill anybody they feel like, etc.) with impunity, you're going to have to accept the idea of government "leigslating morality", i.e. drawing the line somewhere.

[Walrus]

Quote by: GHook93 Here is the point I was making with alcohol prohibition. During prohibition the organized crime/gangs made the rules, since only illegal organization could sell booze. Once alcohol sales became legal, legit business took over the industry. Illgel organizations lost their prime advantage. Eventually legal oganization took over. Same happens with prostitution. Right now the illegal organization make the rules. If it was made legal, then the legal organization would knock out the illegal ones. The illegal organizations main advantage would be lost.

I think we are basically in agreement that prohibition doesn’t work. However, if it is legalised I do think that certain conditions need to be enforced, mainly that regular health checks take place, that the participants are of a legal age and that everything takes place on a consensual basis.

[Piscean]

Nonsense. If that were the case, they would legalize prostitution pure and simple. P, unless you advocate letting everybody do absolutely whatever they want (kill anybody they feel like, etc.) with impunity, you're going to have to accept the idea of government "legislating morality", i.e. drawing the line somewhere.

The govt. can't legalize prostitution because thy re trying to uphold the hypocritical image of being good and moral so the sheep keep allowing them to dominate.

[auggi1457]

Prostitutes are nothing less than regular human beings with problems. There is not one prostitute thats wants to be having sex with everyone they see. Its called money. They make tons of money. If nothing you should feel bad for them because they have to do such horrible things to their bodies just to survive. We are lucky to have all of the things that we need. Prostitution is a last resort.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Walrus I think we are basically in agreement that prohibition doesn’t work. However, if it is legalised I do think that certain conditions need to be enforced, mainly that regular health checks take place, that the participants are of a legal age and that everything takes place on a consensual basis.

If we legalize it we take the violence out of the trade (similarly to how ending the war on drugs would take the violence out of that to). It makes it much safer from spreading STDs: the John, the prostitute and the general public. Uncle Sam gets his rightful cut in a big business. OSHA would have direct regulation rights. And good reforms like month HIV/STD tests could be implemented. Trafficking would be servely reduced, much the same reason you rarely see underaged girls stripping. Yes there is a marketing for that, but now that strip-clubs are legit they use girls that reach maturity age. The Law enforcment resource used to combat prostitutition could be used for other things like fighting the war on terror. This also removes a illegit source of revenue for the mob!

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 If we legalize it we take the violence out of the trade (similarly to how ending the war on drugs would take the violence out of that to). It makes it much safer from spreading STDs: the John, the prostitute and the general public.

Also, by spending less money on sex we can
afford to buy more cocaine.

But seriously, you are basically correct. When the government injects prohibition into society, it makes them all "different persons." However, if I'm going to the general public and selling this or that just to eke out a living, how is it so drastically different from prostitution? I know it's not absolutely identical, but the principle seems fairly similar.

Grandpa h.

[Dagda]

Many argue that prostetution should be legalised for a number of reasons.
1-If it is legalised and keept to the confines of a brothel then the workers are more secure from the attempts of rape.
2-valuble police resources would be freed to tackle more violent and dangerous crimes.
3-If it is legalised it can be regulated and controled hence health checks can be put in place that makes it safer for worker and user.
4-this regulation also cuts down on the diabolical practice of sex slavery as it will have regular government checks.
There are a host more but I will let the discussion commence. What does everyone think?

[SoylentGreen]

It has been legalised in new Zealand.
1. The New Zealand Prostitutes' Collective reports a better understanding and better quality of assistance by police in cases where one of their members complain of rape.

2. That has proved true from police statements on crime and prostitution.

3. It can be better controlled within the collective but there are still illegal activities that cannot be controlled. But police can now focus there attention on illegal prostitution rather than a general view.
4 Still happens but police can now focus on that aspect rather than just some woman trying to make a living.

Let it be legalised less hassle that way

[GHook93]

Quote by: Dagda Many argue that prostetution should be legalised for a number of reasons. 1-If it is legalised and keept to the confines of a brothel then the workers are more secure from the attempts of rape. 2-valuble police resources would be freed to tackle more violent and dangerous crimes. 3-If it is legalised it can be regulated and controled hence health checks can be put in place that makes it safer for worker and user. 4-this regulation also cuts down on the diabolical practice of sex slavery as it will have regular government checks. There are a host more but I will let the discussion commence. What does everyone think?

Althoughs and making them pay taxes. Making sex slavery a much tougher racket to run. Curb the spread of AIDS via prostitution.

[davedes]

GHook -- what do you mean by "Curb the spread of AIDS via prostitution"?


I feel that indoor prostitution should be legalized, and street prostitution decriminalized.

[Jack]

All laws originating in religious morality ought to be stricken from the books. Morality cannot be legislated. If it could, then in this country only non-believers would gamble, buy drugs and pay for prostitutes...and those practices would not be as lucrative as they are.

[sdbest]

Quote by: Dagda Many argue that prostetution should be legalised for a number of reasons. 1-If it is legalised and keept to the confines of a brothel then the workers are more secure from the attempts of rape. 2-valuble police resources would be freed to tackle more violent and dangerous crimes. 3-If it is legalised it can be regulated and controled hence health checks can be put in place that makes it safer for worker and user. 4-this regulation also cuts down on the diabolical practice of sex slavery as it will have regular government checks. There are a host more but I will let the discussion commence. What does everyone think?

This is really a U.S. "problem." Most civilized countries are much more tolerant of prostitution--and sex in general--than the U.S. Although I hear the Americans f***k like a bunch of rabbits, they're just ashamed to admit it.

[GHook93]

Quote by: davedes GHook -- what do you mean by "Curb the spread of AIDS via prostitution"? I feel that indoor prostitution should be legalized, and street prostitution decriminalized.

Illegal prostitutes are subject to any health standards or testing. Many are drug addicts that take undue risks. If its legal, then men will not go the illegal route. The government can and will regulate it. Just like with liquor they will hold legal prostitution to high standards.

Such as, but not limited to:
(1) Monthly mandatory STD test.
(2) Age verification
(3) Zoning locations
(4) Health inspections
(5) Permit requirements
(6) OSHA and safety standards
(7) Background check requirement
(8) Requirement of drug testing
(9) Contraceptive requirements

On top of that employers will be selective. They, like most employers, will not want drug addicts.

All these will help prevent the spread of HIV and STDs, which are spread rapidly by prostitution.

[thedude]

Agree with everything said. Would be interested in hearing a counterpoint not based in religious moralism, if anyone has one.

[LadiesMan217]

Agree with everything said. Would be interested in hearing a counterpoint not based in religious moralism, if anyone has one.

I don't think such a point exists, if you take away morality defined by religion than pretty much anything goes.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: LadiesMan217 I don't think such a point exists, if you take away morality defined by religion than pretty much anything goes.

Which then means that athiests are capable of anything?
Yet I would be surprised to hear that not one theist has ever used a prostitute.
Have you never heard that morality can be based on personal experience and intelligence, it doesn't need a god to enforce it?

[Jack]

Atheism does not necessitate hedonism.