Prostitution

[big_lefty]

You can claim it all you want. But you know that you are not like you were when you first started.

Of course. But that's not boredom. Nobody can live in an infatuated state for a long period of time. But there are times when those old feelings do come back.

Love is a chemical in your brain to increase the chance that you will get her pregnant.

No, that's infatuation. Love is attachment, not mad passion. A relationship goes through n infatuation phase before becoming attachment. Many people think that when the first phase is gone, love is gone. This is foolish and causes much needless pain when relationships end.

Then it wears off in a month or two when you are supposed to leave her to take care of her child and then go on to the next mate.

Infatuation wears off, yes. But often it takes longer than a month.
If you're lucky, attachment will follow it, and you will get times when your old feelings will be rekindled. I've been lucky. I guess you haven't.

That is how the most genes get spread around.

Ah, a simplistic biological determinist argument used to explain complex human emotions. No sale.

I might remind you, though, that there's plenty of evidence that attachment evolved because it was the best way of insuring the children of the union would survive. That's actually the genesis of the Seven Year Itch theory. In actual fact, the period is usually three to four years, which is the time it takes to wean a child out of infancy so he/she will have a better chance of surviving. So it may well be that marriage reflects an important evolutionary purpose rather than just social convention.
There's lots of research available on this if you're interested,

[MplsBison]

There is no such thing as your claimed "attachment" in nature.


Therefore, any such feeling is nothing more than societal pressure to not separate.

[Chris]

Quote by: big_lefty . Why are you telling me this? Did you think I was asking you for a date? Yet you wax cynical about relationships. Why? People with happy relationship experiences don't tend to take a cynical attitude about them. Again, how dos that jibe with your embittered attitude about relationships? Illogical. Most relationships would fail if one person had disgustingly poor personal hygiene, but that doesn't mean relationships are all about good hygiene. Be that as it may, there are long-lasting marriages where the couple no longer has sex. These researchers found the divorce rate for sexless marriages was below the national average. Top 10 Myths About Sexless Marriages (When It's the Man's Choice) -- ThirdAge So yeah, you're wrong. Your beliefs are not realistic because they are based only on your personal feelings and personal experience. You've got o remember that your feelings and experiences are not universal to all people.

lefty, can we please cut the personal attacks?

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[DCAPBTLS77]

Quote by: big_lefty Thank you for taking the time to explain. Such courtesy is rare on the internet. :-) Okay, but you must understand that your perception of relationships is just that- your perception. It's not a universal truth. You did say marriage was stupid. That's cynical. People don't just cheat because of sexless marriages. In fact, the majority of infidelity is in marriages that are sexual. So that's not an argument against sexless marriage. Some couples even choose to be celibate. I'm sorry to hear about your dad. Did it not occur to you that your attitude towards marriage might have something to do with that?

It has absolutely occured to me that , that is why I have these views on marriage, I love men, but at the same time , I hate them at times, but serously what woman doesnt at times hate men, just as im sure at times men hate us, we can be pretty petty, and aggrivating to each other ...

[big_lefty]

There is no such thing as your claimed "attachment" in nature.

You mean in other animals? You are quite wrong.

The gray wolf, for example, mates for life, as do beavers, otters, some varieties of foxes, and surely you know that birds do.

But even if it were not so, it would not mean that humans could not have it.
Your argument reminds me of anti-gay bigots who say "animals can't be gay, so it's abnormal."
It's a silly argument which is nothing but a rationalization for negative personal feelings (in their case about gays, in your case about longterm relationships).

Therefore, any such feeling is nothing more than societal pressure to not separate.

How arrogant it is to presume tell millions of other people their feelings aren't genuine and that their relationships are a sham.

[GHook93]

Just as we should end war on drugs, we should end the war on illegal prostitution.

Here are the reasons:
(1) It's inevitable and unstoppable
(2) If the government regulates it, then it will be safer for all those involved
(3) It will slow down the spread of STDs! Regulations and frequent STD tests would accomplish this.
(4) It would severly hurt the child and female sex slave industry
(5) It would destroy the pimp brutality that runs the industry
(6) It would remove hoes from the streets and into safer environments
(7) Right now they get off Scot-free from paying taxes, now the government could tax it
(8) Law enforcement could focus on other areas
(9) Because the government has no valid business prohibiting this industry

[GHook93]

Quote by: Walrus One of the problems is that there will probably already be a criminal infrastructure in place, so to simply legalise prostitution would be irresponsible, as this criminal element will continue to run it.

I don't think that would be the case. Once its legalized, the illegal ones will have to compete with the legal one. Just like when alcohol prohibition ended, the criminal infrastructure didn't compete with the legal alcohol sales.

Also look at Vegas there aren't too many illegal casinos out there. A black market is a response to prohibition.

[Morality Games]

Quote by: MplsBison There is no such thing as your claimed "attachment" in nature. Therefore, any such feeling is nothing more than societal pressure to not separate.

What?

[MplsBison]

Quote by: big_lefty How arrogant it is to presume tell millions of other people their feelings aren't genuine and that their relationships are a sham.

And how arrogant it is for you and others to claim that you feel something that is not there simply because society pressures you into it.



We have evolved for thousands of years without societal pressure telling us that we have to stick to one mate for our whole lives.



That does not just go away biologically from a few hundred years of civilized life. Our brains are still programmed to seek as many mates as possible to spread the genes around as much as possible.

[grandpa]

Quote by: MplsBison And how arrogant it is for you and others to claim that you feel something that is not there simply because society pressures you into it. We have evolved for thousands of years without societal pressure telling us that we have to stick to one mate for our whole lives.

I don't get the whole kit'n'kaboodle.

Grandpa h.

[Walrus]

Quote by: GHook93 I don't think that would be the case. Once its legalized, the illegal ones will have to compete with the legal one. Just like when alcohol prohibition ended, the criminal infrastructure didn't compete with the legal alcohol sales. Also look at Vegas there aren't too many illegal casinos out there. A black market is a response to prohibition.

Firstly I would like to say I am in favour of the legalisation of prostitution. I also see I was in error by claiming that the criminal element will continue to run it, as this suggests inevitability rather than a possibility. In some European countries where prostitution has been legalised there has been a problem with organised criminal gangs, some from Eastern Europe who indulge in acts of coercion and human trafficking and it was this example that I was thinking of.

I’m not sure that alcohol prohibition is a good analogy, as alcohol is simply a product, whereas prostitution is a service industry that relies completely on its labour and like most labour intensive markets the less you pay your labour force the greater the profits, so it is more likely lend itself to exploitation. However if it is legalised and I personally would like to see this, I do think that controls are essential to protect those working in this industry.

[big_lefty]

And how arrogant it is for you and others to claim that you feel something that is not there simply because society pressures you into it.

Oh, that is priceless. It's arrogant for people to believe in their own emotions just because ~you~ don't believe in them? Okay, by that principle, suppose I believed parental affection doesn't exist. I could then accuse your mother of being arrogant for saying that she loves you.
~You~ don't get to decide what other people feel. That is the height of arrogance. You own only your own feelings, not those of others.

We have evolved for thousands of years without societal pressure telling us that we have to stick to one mate for our whole lives.

Your argument has some merit in theocratic societies where traditional morality is enforced, such as fundamentalist Islam. But in the libertine west, it has none. People in the west pair bond mostly by free choice. Unless you belong to a strict religion, the social pressure is minimal and easily resisted.

That does not just go away biologically from a few hundred years of civilized life. Our brains are still programmed to seek as many mates as possible to spread the genes around as much as possible.

You completely ignored my point about the evolutionary advantage of pair bonding. This has been established.

"Scientists believe that several of the most important changes from apelike to characteristically human social life occurred in species of the genus Homo, whose members show even less sexual dimorphism. These changes, which may have occurred at different times, included (1) prolonged maturation of infants, including an extended period during which they required intensive care from their parents; (2) special bonds of sharing and exclusive mating between particular males and females, called pair-bonding; and (3) the focus of social activity at a home base, a safe refuge in a special location known to family or group members."

Human Evolution - MSN Encarta

You show confirmation bias in refusing to look at or consider any evidence which invalidates your beliefs.

[MplsBison]

Quote by: big_lefty People in the west pair bond mostly by free choice.

If by free choice you mean that society forces them to stay together, then yes.




If society were truly supportive of men having many different partners and many different kids by those many different partners, every many would do that.


None would choose to be monogamous.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Walrus I’m not sure that alcohol prohibition is a good analogy, as alcohol is simply a product, whereas prostitution is a service industry that relies completely on its labour and like most labour intensive markets the less you pay your labour force the greater the profits, so it is more likely lend itself to exploitation. However if it is legalised and I personally would like to see this, I do think that controls are essential to protect those working in this industry.

Here is the point I was making with alcohol prohibition. During prohibition the organized crime/gangs made the rules, since only illegal organization could sell booze. Once alcohol sales became legal, legit business took over the industry. Illgel organizations lost their prime advantage. Eventually legal oganization took over.

Same happens with prostitution. Right now the illegal organization make the rules. If it was made legal, then the legal organization would knock out the illegal ones. The illegal organizations main advantage would be lost.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GHook93 Here is the point I was making with alcohol prohibition. During prohibition the organized crime/gangs made the rules, since only illegal organization could sell booze.

It's a common sense truism about prohibition.

Grandpa h.

[Jaaaman]

Prostitution is a cop-out for women (and some men) who don't want to work for a living. Prostitution is illegal in most places in the US (and should remain so). Prostitution and selling illegal drugs on the street go hand in hand... both are cop-outs and illegal.

[Domino]

If you think prostitution isn't work, I would suggest that it may be a good profession for you to choose.

[DCAPBTLS77]

Quote by: Domino If you think prostitution isn't work, I would suggest that it may be a good profession for you to choose.

LOLOLOLOL..That has to be one of the funniest things I have read on here in a while, damn right its work.

[Jaaaman]

Like I said... prostitution is a cop-out. It is a crying shame that people look to these methods to make money... instead of earning an honest living.

[MplsBison]

All we have to do is change the law to say that selling sex is legal, then it becomes an honest living.