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Arawn-ap-Hywel · Apr 26, 2008, 02:43 pm

Should we not expunge; or sue under sexual discrimination, those religions or sects within a religion for whom high earthly office or the theological accolade of scholar cannot be achieved?

Due to the absurd and archaically prejudiced views from the past; such traditions lack the truth of the dynamics of love..

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2008, 02:49 pm

Under which nation's laws? I believe in the U.S. private groups, which denominations appear to be, do not have to observe anti-discrimination laws like public institutions do.

I'm not defending the practice, just pointing out the flaw in calling for a lawsuit.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Apr 26, 2008, 02:57 pm

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Under which nation's laws? I believe in the U.S. private groups, which denominations appear to be, do not have to observe anti-discrimination laws like public institutions do.

I'm not defending the practice, just pointing out the flaw in calling for a lawsuit.

Jack, yes the "truth" of law.

Probably acceptable in the EU, no doubt it would be an interesting case

What about the International Court of Human Rights ?

Jack it's appreciated that a lawsuit might not cut it. So does anyone consider such practices as being discriminatory despite the probable inability to prosecute

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2008, 03:06 pm

Absolutely. Religions that come out of paternalistic societies are discriminatory nearly across the board. Most religious institutions, if treated equally with all other corporations, would be subject to numerous lawsuits and mostly likely driven out of business. An example of that is the recent judgment against Rev. Phelps and his clan of incestuous inbreds. To avoid this, religions clamor for and are awarded special consideration within society. Whilst claiming to be "not of this world" and "god's laws are not man's laws", the Christians, for example, certainly exploit the protection they're afforded under "man's laws". Huge tax-free cathedrals, monuments to greed, and discriminatory practices all go unchallenged.

shrike · Apr 26, 2008, 03:10 pm

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Absolutely. Religions that come out of paternalistic societies are discriminatory nearly across the board. Most religious institutions, if treated equally with all other corporations, would be subject to numerous lawsuits and mostly likely driven out of business. An example of that is the recent judgment against Rev. Phelps and his clan of incestuous inbreds. To avoid this, religions clamor for and are awarded special consideration within society. Whilst claiming to be "not of this world" and "god's laws are not man's laws", the Christians, for example, certainly exploit the protection they're afforded under "man's laws". Huge tax-free cathedrals, monuments to greed, and discriminatory practices all go unchallenged.

You right of course, but people willingly accept the religious laws if they don't like it they could start their own religion and be anything they like even god

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2008, 03:20 pm

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You right of course, but people willingly accept the religious laws if they don't like it they could start their own religion and be anything they like even god

I can't help but notice that the two largest "modern" religions in the U.S., Scientology and the LDS, both preach that a person can be a god, where the earlier religions believed that god was a unique entity above us. I find that telling, but perhaps off-topic, so I'll stop there.

JaneDoe321 · Apr 28, 2008, 12:14 am

I think it's absurd, but I don't think it's any *more* absurd than religions calling for genital mutilation, strange and no-longer-relevent dietary restrictions, etc.

As far as suing, I dunno. As Jack indicated, at least in the US religion has the distinction of being a private entity, and even tho *some* discrimination has been successfully fought even within private organizations, I'm not sure you'd win or even have grounds.... you'd have to be a member OF that religion, for one, or they'd say you didn't have cause or something, blah blah blah...

I think if all the women *left* those religions it might fix the problem rather neatly.

**Jack** · Apr 28, 2008, 01:17 am

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I think if all the women *left* those religions it might fix the problem rather neatly.

Neat thought, but I doubt it could happen. I still can't understand why gays stay in churches that call them sinners and condemn them to hell on a weekly basis. Yet they stay devoted and faithful. It simply makes no sense to me.

JaneDoe321 · Apr 28, 2008, 07:06 am

I suppose it *could* happen, if the sense of fear associated with changing/discarding religion wasn't so deeply entrenched.

butterbut · Apr 28, 2008, 08:10 am

God made men and women different.

**Jack** · Apr 28, 2008, 10:39 am

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God made men and women different.

Thanks for pointing out that men and women are different. Can you offer anything to support your opinion that a god created them? Further, can you relate that to the topic?

JaneDoe321 · Apr 29, 2008, 07:30 am

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God made men and women different.

So what? "God" apparently "made" all MEN different, too. At least the last time I looked they didn't all appear to be clones.........

(Note: I am not saying by this post that I have suddenly gained belief in a supernatural power.. I am using the terminology of the person I am quoting for convenience's sake)

Apr 26, 2008, 02:43 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,124	Lady Pope / Mullah / Priest / Rabbi Should we not expunge; or sue under sexual discrimination, those religions or sects within a religion for whom high earthly office or the theological accolade of scholar cannot be achieved? Due to the absurd and archaically prejudiced views from the past; such traditions lack the truth of the dynamics of love..

Apr 26, 2008, 02:49 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,741	Under which nation's laws? I believe in the U.S. private groups, which denominations appear to be, do not have to observe anti-discrimination laws like public institutions do. I'm not defending the practice, just pointing out the flaw in calling for a lawsuit. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 26, 2008, 03:06 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,741	Absolutely. Religions that come out of paternalistic societies are discriminatory nearly across the board. Most religious institutions, if treated equally with all other corporations, would be subject to numerous lawsuits and mostly likely driven out of business. An example of that is the recent judgment against Rev. Phelps and his clan of incestuous inbreds. To avoid this, religions clamor for and are awarded special consideration within society. Whilst claiming to be "not of this world" and "god's laws are not man's laws", the Christians, for example, certainly exploit the protection they're afforded under "man's laws". Huge tax-free cathedrals, monuments to greed, and discriminatory practices all go unchallenged. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 28, 2008, 08:10 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
butterbut UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211	God made men and women different. "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr

Apr 28, 2008, 12:14 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
JaneDoe321 Igneous Magma Posts: 320	I think it's absurd, but I don't think it's any more absurd than religions calling for genital mutilation, strange and no-longer-relevent dietary restrictions, etc. As far as suing, I dunno. As Jack indicated, at least in the US religion has the distinction of being a private entity, and even tho some discrimination has been successfully fought even within private organizations, I'm not sure you'd win or even have grounds.... you'd have to be a member OF that religion, for one, or they'd say you didn't have cause or something, blah blah blah... I think if all the women left those religions it might fix the problem rather neatly.

Apr 28, 2008, 07:06 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
JaneDoe321 Igneous Magma Posts: 320	I suppose it could happen, if the sense of fear associated with changing/discarding religion wasn't so deeply entrenched.