Views of Women's Rights

[christianmathew]

This is not my place to debate, but I've always wondered... What are women's and men's views about Women's rights? It kind of brings up a lot of questions, so I don't think you can really be off topic. Post please!

[tommy5x]

Kitchen. next

[christianmathew]

Well isn't that just a little bit sexist?

[Anmon]

Just a social extension of the civil rights movement, to help tear apart western society, and its worked, one in three marriages fail because of it, kids are being taught improper gender roles, abortion is wide spread. Feminism is an end to any civilisation that follows it.

[christianmathew]

See tommy5x, anmon said something that is realistic, proven, and not quite as bluntly mean. However, to play the devils advocate, what if you were a girl? would you want to be the slave to some man? Just wondering.

[Maryjane]

No dear, Anmon is just spouting his opinion as usual. He needs to back it up with facts in order to prove something.

[Voluntary]

I don't see much of a discussion here. Everyone deserves equal treatment under the law. I don't think women should be treated as second class citizens. I don't think anyone should be treated as second class citizens.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Maryjane No dear, Anmon is just spouting his opinion as usual. He needs to back it up with facts in order to prove something.

LOL where have you been for the last few decades, try looking at what a screwed up mess womens rights have helped turn western society into, for any proof.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Anmon LOL where have you been for the last few decades, try looking at what a screwed up mess womens rights have helped turn western society into, for any proof.

And you wonder why you're accused of 'horrible generalisations about women'?

So. To clarify. The 'downfall' of western society is due to 'the left' undermining such solid values as sexism, discrimination, and theocratic law. Have I just about gotten your position right, Anmon?

[christianmathew]

Well maryjane and anmon, you don't need to tear at each other's throats. We can keep this civilized, can't we?

[gela]

Just a social extension of the civil rights movement, to help tear apart western society, and its worked, one in three marriages fail because of it, kids are being taught improper gender roles, abortion is wide spread. Feminism is an end to any civilisation that follows it.

If men have a problem with no one being at home to raise the kids, because the mother is working.
Then the man can stay at home and look after the kids.
Im not even being mean. Working isn't a masculin thing anymore, its just a matter of who gets paid more.

I know a couple of home dads. No divorce, and no screwed up kids.

As for the problems you listed, half of them arn't problems in my eyes.
Gender roles are irrevelent. One can do what they want to, regardless of gender.
Abortion is a good thing.

As for the divorce rate, I blame modern society as a whole.
Feminism probably contributed, but it is not the only, nor the leading, factor.

Women deserve rights.
If men want society to be 'structured' again, then they can take on the role of the submissive gender.
We don't need protecting, we live in a safe society.
We don't need muscles, we have technology.

There is no reason for women to be inferior. So yes, women do deserve equal rights.

[christianmathew]

Well gela seems to be offly set off. But I do agree, at least in theory, at least on some parts, with Gela. I have to say though, this seems like an important topic.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew Well maryjane and anmon, you don't need to tear at each other's throats. We can keep this civilized, can't we?

If someone makes such a wild and sweeping generalization, they need to support it with facts. I was under the impression that Volconvo was a debate site. Anyone can toss out an opinion, even troglodytes.

Troglodyte

[Anmon]

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Quote by: gela If men have a problem with no one being at home to raise the kids, because the mother is working. Then the man can stay at home and look after the kids.

Better to just have the woman do it, it makes a lot more sense.

Im not even being mean. Working isn't a masculin thing anymore, its just a matter of who gets paid more.

You obviously no next to nothing about hard labouring jobs such as brick aying, concreting, form working, and scaffolding.
Very masculine, and very necessary, go to a building site one day and educate yourself a bit on this.

I know a couple of home dads. No divorce, and no screwed up kids.

girly men, a great example for the kids to look up too.

As for the problems you listed, half of them arn't problems in my eyes.

I didn't think they would be.

Gender roles are irrevelent.

Gender roles are very important, they give a sense of idenity for kids to focus on.
Its your kind of thinking that is helping to screw up our society's even more.

One can do what they want to, regardless of gender.

Thats just idiocy to believe that.
Go try to do some hard labour for a few years if you think that, you wont last a day, and you would probably be absolutely useless.

Abortion is a good thing.

No abortion, any abortion is a bad thing, unless you enjoy knowing innocent life is being destroyed.

As for the divorce rate, I blame modern society as a whole. Feminism probably contributed, but it is not the only, nor the leading, factor.

It is the leading factor, feminism has done more to destroy modern family's than anything else.

Women deserve rights.

So do men, but we don't whine our guts out like you guys do, about everything being unfair all the time.
Your just babies basically.
We get fed by the pc media about how strong and indedpendant you are 24/7, yet soon as something goes wrong or you get scared, you run crying like babies for help, your just silly frauds that believe anything your told.

If men want society to be 'structured' again,

So you admit there is no structure in present society?

then they can take on the role of the submissive gender.

Yeah good luck with that, all that you will get is more family's busting apart, because its not in mens natures to be submissive, especially to women lol thats only for hen pecked wimps.

We don't need protecting,

You do, thats why there is so much security around now, in case you hadn't noticed.
Your girl power is a big lie, that the media and socialists pushed on to you.
It has no real courage or strength, and only idiots think that it does.

we live in a safe society.

lmao

We don't need muscles, we have technology.

So you substitute technology for muscles, what happens when the technology goes, what are you going to do then?
Back to pleading for men to help you with everything physical again?
lol women have no integrity at all.

There is no reason for women to be inferior.

Well physically you are, get used to it, theres more to life than that.

So yes, women do deserve equal rights.

Look you guys hide with the kids when the fighting gets tough, we have to look after you, don't feed me garbage about women standing shoulder to shoulder to us, your not our equals because of this.
You are equal in a lot of other ways, but the above is what counts the most.

[Tycoon]

Better to just have the woman do it, it makes a lot more sense.

Why does it make sense at all? Men might be a little physically stronger in general, but not all jobs require any kind of physical strength. Women can do most jobs just as well as men and do some even better.

You obviously no next to nothing about hard labouring jobs such as brick aying, concreting, form working, and scaffolding.

Only a fraction of the jobs out there.

Girly men, a great example for the kids to look up too.

Yeah? And you back that up with what?

Gender roles are very important, they give a sense of idenity for kids to focus on. Its your kind of thinking that is helping to screw up our society's even more.

Yeah, the little boys might grow up wanting to be stay at home dads and the little girls might grow up wanting to work jobs. It still doesn't create any problems.

It is the leading factor, feminism has done more to destroy modern family's than anything else.

Because you're such the social scientist and we should accept anything you say why?

I'm not even going to waste my time looking over the rest of that bigotry.

[gela]

Well physically you are, get used to it, theres more to life than that.

Ignored my point completely..

Today we don't need physical strength to get by.

So you substitute technology for muscles, what happens when the technology goes, what are you going to do then? Back to pleading for men to help you with everything physical again? lol women have no integrity at all.

Well thats just paranoia.

We're debating about todays society, take your argument to the sci fi forums.

You do, thats why there is so much security around now, in case you hadn't noticed. Your girl power is a big lie, that the media and socialists pushed on to you. It has no real courage or strength, and only idiots think that it does.

Exactly my point.
Society is protected. We don't have the cave men next door trying to steal our territory.

Yeah good luck with that, all that you will get is more family's busting apart, because its not in mens natures to be submissive, especially to women lol thats only for hen pecked wimps.

Its not in my nature to be submissive either.

So do men, but we don't whine our guts out like you guys do, about everything being unfair all the time. Your just babies basically.

Your very contradictory.
First you are saying that women deserve to be inferior.
Then you say that we unreasonably whine?
As far as I can tell, we do have equal rights. We have no reason to whine.
You and your type are the only things we have to whine about. Fortunatly, your a dying breed. So I rarely get a chance to 'whine' about it.

We get fed by the pc media about how strong and indedpendant you are 24/7, yet soon as something goes wrong or you get scared, you run crying like babies for help, your just silly frauds that believe anything your told.

Empty claims.
All I can hear is someone having a whine. Not a debate about facts.

It is the leading factor, feminism has done more to destroy modern family's than anything else.

Empty claims.
Captilism encourages consumerism.
Consumerism encourages selfishness.
Selfishness destroys marriges.
Like I said, society as a whole. Obviously Im not saying my explanation is the cause, just another example of how society is screwing us over.

Thats just idiocy to believe that. Go try to do some hard labour for a few years if you think that, you wont last a day, and you would probably be absolutely useless.

I think I am capable of building and brick laying.
It would take me a while to build up some muscles and get use to it, and I probably wouldn't as good as some men are, but I could still do it.
Thing is, I don't want to.
Women who want to do it would probably do fine at it. Men are generally stronger, but generally doesn't apply to everyone.

Gender roles are very important, they give a sense of idenity for kids to focus on. Its your kind of thinking that is helping to screw up our society's even more.

No, gender roles say that everyone has to be the same.
We don't need to depend on society to give us an identity. We can find our own identities just fine thanks.

girly men, a great example for the kids to look up too.

Staying at home has no relation whatso ever to being girly.
Let me give you a situation.
Man does hard labour, women gets an education. Women ends up with a bigger salary.
What is more logical. Woman stays home to raise the kids, or man stays home to rais the kids?

If you chose the first option, you are a prime example of how male pride and ego overides common sense.

You obviously no next to nothing about hard labouring jobs such as brick aying, concreting, form working, and scaffolding. Very masculine, and very necessary, go to a building site one day and educate yourself a bit on this.

Ok, there is 4 jobs that require strength.
How about the men do these jobs, and the women can do every other job out there.

Better to just have the woman do it, it makes a lot more sense.

you mean, better to just force the woman to do it.
Since that is what your proposing by abolishing womans rights.

[JaneDoe321]

I don't think there should be women's rights.

It should be "human rights". I think created protected classes, in the long run, does more harm than good.

That being said, the cretin view that women are somehow inferior because in general we bench press less than men needs to evaporate. We don't live in the neanderthal society where women and children needed to be protected from the mastadon and the sabre toothed tiger anymore.

Are women and men wired differently?

Yes.

So what?

[JaneDoe321]

Quote by: Anmon LOL where have you been for the last few decades, try looking at what a screwed up mess womens rights have helped turn western society into, for any proof.

Because Western society was so civilized before that....



OOPS! There go my eyes rolling out of my head again!!!

[Anmon]

QUOTE=gela;499757] Today we don't need physical strength to get by.

Tell that to all the security guys you depend on for your independance and protection.

Exactly my point. Society is protected. We don't have the cave men next door trying to steal our territory.

Yeah its protected by the same kind of cave men, you have a silly view on men who can fight.

Its not in my nature to be submissive either.

Good just don't be an irritating immature bitch either.

First you are saying that women deserve to be inferior.

Where did I say that?

Then you say that we unreasonably whine?

All the time, its why ugly girls stay quiet, they know if they do its the end for them.

Fortunatly, your a dying breed. So I rarely get a chance to 'whine' about it.

Your whole society is dying, its not just proper men.

Captilism encourages consumerism. Consumerism encourages selfishness. Selfishness destroys marriges.

And who do you think in the family is encouraging the most consumerism.?
Who goes shopping and spending all the time?

I think I am capable of building and brick laying.

lol go try it, I did it for 12 years, its not being just able to do it, you have to keep working fast as well, every day in the sun.
I only ever met two other brick layers who were women, and they were average at best.

It would take me a while to build up some muscles and get use to it, and I probably wouldn't as good as some men are, but I could still do it. Thing is, I don't want to.

Yes because your a woman thats why.

Women who want to do it would probably do fine at it. Men are generally stronger, but generally doesn't apply to everyone.

Bricklaying would probably be one of the ten things most a woman would not enjoy doing.

No, gender roles say that everyone has to be the same. We don't need to depend on society to give us an identity. We can find our own identities just fine thanks.

Thats just unstructured rubbish, roles in society give is our purpose and identity the most.

Let me give you a situation. Man does hard labour, women gets an education. Women ends up with a bigger salary. What is more logical. Woman stays home to raise the kids, or man stays home to rais the kids?

Ever heard of daycare?

Ok, there is 4 jobs that require strength.

Thats just 4, I picked from many.
How about plumbing and electricians, and maintance, and engineering, and defence and so on these jobs are done mostly by men, because women are not up to them. Civilisation isnt called man made for nothing. And if we depended on you guys to do then all instead, nothing would ever happen.

How about the men do these jobs, and the women can do every other job out there.

lol see above, just how long have you lived on a uni campus anyway?

[Anmon]

Quote by: JaneDoe321 Because Western society was so civilized before that.... OOPS! There go my eyes rolling out of my head again!!!

Ever heard of the renaissance?