Views of Women's Rights

[ShadowFox]

provide statistical evidence suggesting this then.

[Tycoon]

In case you don't know, civilsation rests on labourers, without them, nothing else gets done. Can we do without hairdressers, lawyers, beauticians, optometrists, uni students, dentists, florists, secretarys etc yes we can, society can still exist.

That is completely irrelevant. Not all men are going to be labourers simply because they're stronger. All those other jobs you named developed for a reaon, to improve the standard of society. There is no reason why women cannot take their place among the jobs other than labour.

Can we do without the guys who do the dirty hard work, that no one else wants to touch, no we cant. There are plenty of men now, who don't have to work labour now because of technology, but there are still plenty of men who can work hard physical labour, women um not really.

You're completely missing the point. Our society might rely on labour, but that doesn't mean labour is the only job, or that we will always rely on labour, or that other jobs should not be created.

[JaneDoe321]

Quote by: Anmon lol they must be reeeealy looking forward to that. free makeup and beauty kit as consolation.

I served in the military. Not only did we not wear makeup for anything other than picture day (which was then promptly scrubbed back off again) and graduation (although they let the guys grow some hair back for graduation as well), but we were required to shave our legs, as it was not considered "ladylike" to have hairy legs, and yet we had NO extra time to do it, and 9 times out of 10 we had no hot water, since we had to climb to the top floor of the barracks and the guys had used it all...

However our primary mission was not to look "ladylike", it was to learn how to be sailors, or marines, or airmen, or soldiers). We took that seriously and did a damned fine job, and serve daily alongside the "big strong men" doing our best to make sure the world is a safer place.

That being said, I DO believe women and men should bear the same risks with regards to the draft. The human race does not risk disappearing if a small portion of our females are killed in combat, and it's really ridiculous to assume that only men can fly aircraft, fix trucks, etc. Can men carry more weight, literally, on average? Yes. Since we're not trucking thousands of miles over the mountains carrying our stores with us as we go for months or years at a time anymore, a la Rome, etc., I fail to see how that's a downside. It's just another attempt by men who are incapable of bolstering their egos any other way than by tearing down the people around them to prop up their own sense of self-importance, IMO.

[Maryjane]

Tommy5x:

We have conceded that women are generally not a physically strong as men.

Yes we have...I think that memo went out sometime last week in another OP. Let's move forward.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: anmon not if his work isn't as good.

So men and woman should be given an equal chance to do well, but at the end of the day, should be paid according to skill
How do you make sure that isn't influenced by stereotypes about men and women? I know they may be right some of the time, but the exceptions shouldn't suffer because of it.

[gela]

Women aren't going to be equal under the eyes of the law until they can be drafted just the same as men.

Men can't be drafted here either..

I suppose that means we are equal.

depends on the job I guess, definitely not labouring work, their absolutely useless, get one to carry a bag of cement somewhere and they brag they are just as good as a man, yeah ok sweetie, now carry the rest of them all day as well, and bricks and scaffolding and don't stop, then same again tomorrow and the next day and next week, next month, next year, year after that etc then come crowing.

Your making generalisations again. Get off your high horse.

thats been well known for along time.

Then why do you insist on ranting on about it every chance you get?

Could it be because it is the only way that men are superior to women, so you can't let it go?

We understand your argument. Find a new one or piss off.

I doubt it, labouring is probably a dimension beyond them. Most people would freak out if made to labour hard for aweek, then get told they will have to keep doing it for awhole year just as hard. I did it for nearly 12. How many women did I meet labouring in all that time? I couldn't count them on one hand.

Woah, Anmon your so strong and manly.
12 whole years?!? thats increadible! Your amazing.
Most people couldn't even do it for one week, but you can do it for 12 years?!?! That is absolutly amazing. You are such a hero. You must have super strength or something.

I hope you can read my sarcasm. Get off your high horse. Everyone thinks that their job is the hardest one in the world. Being a labourer doesn't make you special - it just makes you another person in the world, doing their job.

In case you don't know, civilsation rests on labourers, without them, nothing else gets done. Can we do without hairdressers, lawyers, beauticians, optometrists, uni students, dentists, florists, secretarys etc yes we can, society can still exist. Can we do without the guys who do the dirty hard work, that no one else wants to touch, no we cant. There are plenty of men now, who don't have to work labour now because of technology, but there are still plenty of men who can work hard physical labour, women um not really.

The truth is, labour is easy to learn. But its hard work.
Thats why no one wants to do it.
Again, get over yourself. Your not holding up society. Labour is just another job.

I'd say the farmers and teachers rank much higher then you in level of importance.

You are just begging to be recognised as both important, and superior to women.
Sorry, your neither. Your just as average as every other worker out there.

[Simonius]

All we should insist on is equality of opportunity. A man has no more intrinsic right to be a labourer than a woman, if you can do the job you can do the job regardless of your genitals. As a rule they are things that women or men may not be able to do, utterly irrelevant, its what the individual can do.

And women can labour, as proven by both world wars when they had no choice but to do so.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: gela Men can't be drafted here either.. I suppose that means we are equal.

Haha, I guess.

But since I'm having too much fun with this, if the draft was reinstated for whatever freaking reason...should men and women be drafted equally?

oh, and should woman serve on the front lines of war?

[gela]

Haha, I guess. But since I'm having too much fun with this, if the draft was reinstated for whatever freaking reason...should men and women be drafted equally? oh, and should woman serve on the front lines of war?

Lol. I don't think it can be reinstated, since Im pretty sure we never had it to begin with.

If it was brought in, I would oppose it for men and women.

[Anmon]

feminists front line dutys only.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: gela Lol. I don't think it can be reinstated, since Im pretty sure we never had it to begin with. If it was brought in, I would oppose it for men and women.

haha fair enough. Though how about that last question? Should woman serve on the front lines?

Quote by: anmon feminists front line dutys only.

Ya, maybe we could get all feminists to wear arm bands or patches with the female sign on them. Oh, we could seperate them from the rest of the population. Even move them to reeducation camps.

plus, your beef isn't with feminists, its with women with a superiority complex (check the definitions above where we define what a feminist is.)

[ShadowFox]

Ya, maybe we could get all feminists to wear arm bands or patches with the female sign on them. Oh, we could seperate them from the rest of the population. Even move them to reeducation camps.

interesting link to the jews during the holocaust

[Winter wind]

Quote by: halo interesting link to the jews during the holocaust

I owe my sense of humor to our education system.

[Maryjane]

I have no problem with women on the front line of duty. They would have to go thru boot camp and be trained like everyone else. If they can do the job, why not?

I actually had this disagreement with my neighbor. His reasoning for not wanting them on the front line was "I don't like to think of women that way." In other words, it's not that he doubts they could do it, but that it somehow diminishes their feminity.

[Simonius]

Quote by: Maryjane I have no problem with women on the front line of duty. They would have to go thru boot camp and be trained like everyone else. If they can do the job, why not? I actually had this disagreement with my neighbor. His reasoning for not wanting them on the front line was "I don't like to think of women that way." In other words, it's not that he doubts they could do it, but that it somehow diminishes their feminity.

Personally I feel that if we have to fight wars all nations should send only the very elderly, perhaps those in their nineties, armed only with walking sticks.

That way wars will cost very little and free up post office queues.

[Anmon]

=Winter wind;504162] Ya, maybe we could get all feminists to wear arm bands or patches with the female sign on them. Oh, we could seperate them from the rest of the population. Even move them to reeducation camps.

put target signs on their heads, just paint a dot into the circle of their female power sign haha

plus, your beef isn't with feminists, its with women with a superiority complex (check the definitions above where we define what a feminist is.)

Same thing.

[Anmon]

=Maryjane;504214]I have no problem with women on the front line of duty. They would have to go thru boot camp and be trained like everyone else. If they can do the job, why not?

I have no problem with feminists been conscripted their either, in fact I would like to see everyone of them made to lead charges on to heavily defended bunkers daily.
But don't drag the rest of the female population into your unrealistic folly with you.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Anmon I have no problem with feminists been conscripted their either, in fact I would like to see everyone of them made to lead charges on to heavily defended bunkers daily. But don't drag the rest of the female population into your unrealistic folly with you.

Yes, leave only the women who submit blindly to men and don't want equal rights

[Anmon]

Quote by: Halofan48 Yes, leave only the women who submit blindly to men and don't want equal rights

equal rights are a crock, war proves it
women are needed to repopulate at home, they cant do that if their being shot can they.

[Tycoon]

I have no problem with feminists been conscripted their either, in fact I would like to see everyone of them made to lead charges on to heavily defended bunkers daily. But don't drag the rest of the female population into your unrealistic folly with you.

put target signs on their heads, just paint a dot into the circle of their female power sign haha

feminists front line dutys only.

I love how when your argument is peeled apart like an onion you fall back on disgusting ideas that nobody finds funny excluding yourself.