Views of Women's Rights

[Maryjane]

If you'd start backing up your opinions with facts you won't find yourself on the losing end of debate. That's how debate works.

I tend to stick to topics I understand on at least a "basic" level...those that I have experience in. If you want to tell me that women are treated fairly in this world then you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you are going to make the accusation that religion and politics don't go hand in hand in this United States of America, you'd best open a history book.

[Maryjane]

My computer won't let me follow the links all the time, but from what you quoted that sounded like politics was using religion, that someone was warping religion, not religion warping politics/someon.

That's not my problem now, is it?

[Maryjane]

No, I'm here to hear your opinions, and reply if I want to on your opinions, because I'm not that good at debating.

Maybe you should try a christian chat room instead of a debate forum? That way you can hear what you want to hear.

[christianmathew]

Well I had surmised it. You must just take pleasure in tearing college kids apart. Can't say I relate, but to each his own. It seems to me that I wanted to hear opinions, perhaps like a chat room, when I created this topic. No one forced you to post on this topic, you chose to. Just like now I'm choosing to stop arguing with you.

[Maryjane]

I'm trying to educate you CM. The only thing I want to tear apart is your weak arguments and your continued refusal to see things from any point other than your own.

[Derek Wolff]

I'm a little sad reading all this because I believe gender roles are a necessity for a family to function properly. My father was a very weak man and I suffered quite a lot with it because I had no role-model in my life. My mother was very over-bearing and it made me feel like I was capable of nothing because she was constantly telling me no to any thing that was dirty or physical. I had no one that said "Do it son!". No one was there to critizise me and tell me I had to do it better, especially in modern schools where they told me "you are perfect as you are". I was raised with no desire or thrist to work hard and I became very unproductive in my youth. I'm sorry for all the people here who try to think of this logically without actually taking in the reality of it.

I heard some one say earlier "it should be human rights. We should have no section with special rights." I completely agree with this, and I hope gender roles will propagate within a society such as that. The differences between men and women are in fact REAL.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Derek Wolff I'm a little sad reading all this because I believe gender roles are a necessity for a family to function properly. My father was a very weak man and I suffered quite a lot with it because I had no role-model in my life. My mother was very over-bearing and it made me feel like I was capable of nothing because she was constantly telling me no to any thing that was dirty or physical. I had no one that said "Do it son!". No one was there to critizise me and tell me I had to do it better, especially in modern schools where they told me "you are perfect as you are". I was raised with no desire or thrist to work hard and I became very unproductive in my youth. I'm sorry for all the people here who try to think of this logically without actually taking in the reality of it. I heard some one say earlier "it should be human rights. We should have no section with special rights." I completely agree with this, and I hope gender roles will propagate within a society such as that. The differences between men and women are in fact REAL.

And it's the fault of women's rights that your father was a weak man - how??

[Derek Wolff]

And it's the fault of women's rights that your father was a weak man - how??

No I'm saying femminism was the over-bearing quality I recieved in my life and it didn't do well for me. I'm saying there needs to be both sides to each coin or things don't work, and this is the sides to the coin.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Derek Wolff No I'm saying femminism was the over-bearing quality I recieved in my life and it didn't do well for me.

Yes well it's equally not the fault of women's rights that your mother was overbearing. Take it up with her.

[Maryjane]

femminism was the over-bearing quality

Total misconception of what feminism is.

If your parents didn't encourage you to be the best person you could be, to grow up to be self sufficient, then they had crappy parenting skills.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: derek Wolff No I'm saying femminism was the over-bearing quality I recieved in my life and it didn't do well for me. I'm saying there needs to be both sides to each coin or things don't work, and this is the sides to the coin.

What's wrong with feminism where woman ask for equal payment, and opportunity as men? Isn't that a major part of the feminist movement? Also breaking the social norms for woman...

What's the deal?

[Maryjane]

You be a manly man with your children. I'll be a guy who's going to listen to someone who makes sense.

Heh...so "butch" lesbians would make good fathers?

[LadyMacbeth]

^
That was totally not on topic what has "butch lesbians" as you say got to do with anything.
There is nothing wrong ith feminism and that women wanted equal rights as men which in my oppinion we are entitled to. Women should be paid the same as men and should be able to access the same jobs as men.
The feminist action was so women could have the power and the voice to vote which seems very fair to me.

[Maryjane]

I see you are new here. Welcome to Volconvo! You haven't seen my posts on womens rights yet? The one above was sarcastic.

[christianmathew]

Hey, you guys are taking this topic a little more seriously than I had intended. I'm going to step away from debating as much as possible at this point.

[Maryjane]

What did you expect? Everyone to agree? It's a debate site.

Closing your eyes and ears to the problems in the world won't make them go away. If that's your solution, you become part of the problem.

[christianmathew]

I did not expect everyone to agree, you college kid killer, I expected everyone to express their opinion on the topic and then move on. I was trying to find opinions, not find a debate on this topic. I'm not closing my eyes and ears to the world, I just look at it a little more innocently and a little differently than some people do. If you've got a problem with that, you're just going to have to live with it.

[Halofan48]

Quote by: christianmathew I did not expect everyone to agree, you college kid killer, I expected everyone to express their opinion on the topic and then move on. I was trying to find opinions, not find a debate on this topic. I'm not closing my eyes and ears to the world, I just look at it a little more innocently and a little differently than some people do. If you've got a problem with that, you're just going to have to live with it.

College kid killer huh? Seems a bit personal, so don't continue with remarks like that please.

Since they are debating the topic of the thread on a debate forum, they are doing what the forum is meant for.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: christianmathew I did not expect everyone to agree, you college kid killer, I expected everyone to express their opinion on the topic and then move on. I was trying to find opinions, not find a debate on this topic.

If you want us to express our opinion and then move on, without interacting with each other, then your going to have to list your rules at the beginning of your threads. Just don't be surprised if no one is interesting in posting in such threads. This is a debate site.

[DCAPBTLS77]

Quote by: christianmathew Hey, you guys are taking this topic a little more seriously than I had intended. I'm going to step away from debating as much as possible at this point.

Umm, just a note of point , ChristianMatthew, you really dont seem to be debating much of anything at all, you throw out opinions, and as soon as someone expresses an opinion that differs from your own you seem to suck it up, and say to some degree "well i didnt really think of it that way , but now you said something different from me so i'll agree with you so as not to cause dissent" It is rather insulting , I am really not trying to attack you personally , but if you are going to make observations, and give opinions , try standing up for the things you say , or think, not everyone elses opinions are correct either.
I feel that if women want to do the physical jobs that seem male dominated then fine , do them , if you get hurt , you take your time to heal, and get back to it, I work in a typically male dominated field, I can help lift someone who is 500 lbs, but I know I cant do it myself, and I do rely on men to help with the heavy lifting, that being said , I also handle alot of stressful situations better than the men I get partnered with , I am more compassionate, not because of my logic, but because of my emotion, I am a female, I am emotional, I try not to let it get in my way on the job, sometimes it does, same as if I let my male partner drive that ambulance and he gets cut off, he yells , swears, and gets emotional, its not who is the strongest, it is who can do the job .
I dont want to be superior, I want to be treated equally, I want to be a partner . Guess what , I go to work , I see people at thier worst, then I come home after a 24 hr shift, and clean, and do laundry , and cook dinner, my fiancee does the same thing .
We are both secure in our genders , and our roles as human beings.