Views of Women's Rights

[gela]

It hasnt worked in the past, because strength was needed in the past, so males had a reason to be dominant.

Equality is new

[christianmathew]

Yes it is, but the question I wonder about, and seem to disagree with you on, is "will it last?"

Someone will take the lead and be in charge of the other. The genders won't be equal on this earth forever.

[suijurisfreeman]

Anmon,
"girly men, a great example for the kids to look up to."

Excuse me, back in 1979 I divorced my 1st wife, I got custody of all four of our minor children (ages 2, 6, 10 and 11), I raised our children and operated my own business. Ya, hear me now and believe me later! I am no 'girly man', it took cajones the size of basketballs to do what I did!

[christianmathew]

It may have taken determination, but taking care of children doesn't seem very manly, though I'm sure its hard.

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: christianmathew It may have taken determination, but taking care of children doesn't seem very manly, though I'm sure its hard.

"taking care of children doesn't seem very manly . . ."

They are my children, the fact that it was necessary for me to be both father and mother doesn't make me less 'manly'! Are you a father? If not you don't have a clue!

[christianmathew]

I may not be a father, but I had a father, and that gives me at least some experience. Taking care of children never was an easy job for him, and he wasn't girly.

You be a manly man with your children. I'll be a guy who's going to listen to someone who makes sense.

[Halofan48]

Ok, i get the felling that there is some snide personal comments brewing, so please, if agitated by a post, please do not respond with an insult. Thank you.

For me, I spent several years with only one parent. When i was younger, my dad left for 3 years to work on a project (Universal Studios Japan) and i was left with my mother and sister. I grew up just like every other kid and saw very little of my father. Now, my parents are divorced and I live with my father. I still live the same life and now see very little of my mother. (I don't stay with my mother because a few years ago she suffered some brain damage in a car accident and now isn't really suited to take care of us, though we still love her very much and she loves us, she's just a bit nutty now.)
Only very recently (within the last 3 months) have i really had 2 parental figures (my dad is getting married again). I was raised fine, as was my sister. She is going to graduate 3rd out of 850 students, got into Georgetown university with an amazing scholarship. I have Straight A's, am often co-teaching my Biology and Geometry class and we are both sociable. I know many people in my school in similar situations. One girl lost her father when she was 5. She has a 4.48 GPA and is going to Yale. Another is a boy who lost his mother to brain cancer about 7 years ago and he has straight A's and is an amazing sports player. These are just a few examples showing that one parent can still raise their kid quite well without them becoming "girly" or a "tomboy". Just a few personal examples.

[christianmathew]

And halofan48, you are just that sort of person I could listen to and believe because you make sense. If it doesn't seem girly to you, and since you back it up with some good examples, maybe single parenting isn't girly.

[Halofan48]

Really, considering all the work that one parent has to do, it should be considered quite brave when a parent attempts to support a family on just their income while providing a good life for the family. It takes great determination and hard work to make a successful family with only a single provider.

[christianmathew]

I already have said that it takes great determination, and it is pretty brave. Did you read the last sentence of my most recent post?

[suijurisfreeman]

I've deleted this because it's not revelant to the subject of this thread. sjf

[Technosoul]

Quote by: christianmathew Technosoul, Equal society isn't nearly as much about God as it is about politics and male dominince. Gela, I tell you equality will never work because that is what I believe and that is what history tells us. It could cause selfishness because the men and women are competing against each other, instead of caring for each other, and it could cause an increase in materialistic values because that is what people want with money, materials. You just wait and see, equality wil never work, or at least not to the extent that women want it to. Maryjane, If you want to be equal, this will not happen. Men will always want to be in charge, and if somehow they don't, then women will become greedy and want control. Look at Hilary Clinton, she doesn't want to be president for women but for herself! And the average girl wouldn't want to be a roofer, even though you were very successful at it.

It is about this God because it was men who put those political ideas in their concept about god.

[Technosoul]

John Lennon was one of the best known stay at home husbands who did the house work while Ono was doing business deals.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: tommy5x Kitchen. next

Equal pay for equal work--that was the promise made to working women more than 40 years ago when the Equal Pay Act of 1963 was signed into law. Yet more than four decades later, many women--including those in foodservice--continue to earn less than their male counterparts who perform the same jobs and work the same number of hours, according to the most recent government data. In fact, most women would have to work for 16 months to earn the same wages men earn in 12 months, according to the National Committee on Pay Equity, or NCPE, a Washington, D.C.-based coalition that works to eliminate gender- and race-based wage discrimination. For that reason, April 19 is "equal pay day," the day women's earnings catch up to the salaries men realized in the prior calendar year, according to NCPE. But even as most women in businesses nationwide continue to pocket smaller paychecks than those of their male peers, progress has been made--albeit slowly and, in foodservice, not without plateaus or slippage, according to data from the U.S. Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics. "When you've gotten into detailed occupational roles and you still find those wage differences, it is pretty powerful evidence," says Robert Nelson, the director of the American Bar Foundation and professor of sociology and law at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill. "People say, 'Oh, that was yesterday,' or 'Everything has changed,' but that is not the case... You have to point out disparities to get people to think there is still a problem. They see the numbers and say, 'Oh, wow.' "

Alrighty then, how about they start getting paid equally? It's the reason I walked off my last job.

"There is a reluctance to advance women in the kitchen," she says. "That was a major problem for me moving up. I was flat out asked by a guy, 'Who's going to look after your babies while you're at work'?' ... or 'How are you going to lift a big pot'?' and I told him, 'With my two arms.' "

Echo, Echo, Echo...I heard the same back in 1975 when I started out.

Stewart continues: "Twenty or thirty years ago there was no talk of [diversity]: today there is certainly an awareness and a mindset that didn't exist then. Having said that, we all know it is sometimes lip service--it is good talk and people know the right things to say. If you want to change the culture at your company so that people throughout your organization support women and minorities, it starts at the top. That will never change."

(bolding mine)


http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org...fm?refID=79594

[christianmathew]

It is about this God because it was men who put those political ideas in their concept about god.

technosoul,
religion isn't political. Religion may be fictional in the minds of some, but people don't put politics in relgion. Relgion might be put into politics, such as candidates for a government posistion claiming to be christian for voters, but politics isn't subbed into religion. It doesn't work that way. Give me an example, if you don't believe me.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew technosoul, religion isn't political. Religion may be fictional in the minds of some, but people don't put politics in relgion. Relgion might be put into politics, such as candidates for a government posistion claiming to be christian for voters, but politics isn't subbed into religion. It doesn't work that way. Give me an example, if you don't believe me.

The United States has a long tradition of separating church from state, yet a powerful inclination to mix religion and politics. Throughout our nation's history, great political and social movements – from abolition to women's suffrage to civil rights to today's struggles over abortion and gay marriage – have drawn upon religious institutions for moral authority, inspirational leadership and organizational muscle. In recent years, religion has been woven more deeply into the fabric of partisan politics than ever before.

Shall I site more sources...I could do this all day.

Religion & Politics

[christianmathew]

Well this could get interesting, the hard working, caring mother beating up the college kid who can't debate. That certainly won't be a fair fight. Besides, that wasn't directed at you, I don't have a bone to pick with you... yet. That was to technosoul.

Oh well, you did reply to my post. A lot of what you showed seemed more like politics using religion than religion using politics, if that makes sense. It seems that technosoul believes politics were put into religion, and I don't believe that is the case. I don't have any problem believing religion has been put into politics.

[Maryjane]

The United States remains a relatively religious country, and, as a result, religious influences maintain a presence in election campaigns regardless of whether or not a "high wall" of separation between church and state prevails. However, because "off-year" elections tend to be more local affairs, religion tends to play a somewhat more muted, and geographically dispersed, influence in congressional elections than in presidential elections. Nevertheless, there are several ways in which religion will likely serve to shape and color the outcomes of the forthcoming election. For many American voters, religion influences both the political agenda they embrace and the particular stand they adopt on various policy positions. All laws impose someone's values on the rest of society, because they specify either directly or indirectly that certain forms of behavior are preferred and enforced over other forms. While not all values necessarily derive from religion, religion frequently serves as the basis of value formation for many Americans. Thus, both the political agenda and the policy stands that many Americans adopt (e.g., on issues related to abortion, gay rights, and capital punishment) may have a religious basis.

That morality issue again. The belief that you can't have it without being religious.

Religion and Politics in the 2006 Election

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew Well this could get interesting, the hard working, caring mother beating up the college kid who can't debate. That certainly won't be a fair fight. Besides, that wasn't directed at you, I don't have a bone to pick with you... yet. That was to technosoul. Oh well, you did reply to my post. A lot of what you showed seemed more like politics using religion than religion using politics, if that makes sense. It seems that technosoul believes politics were put into religion, and I don't believe that is the case. I don't have any problem believing religion has been put into politics.

Are you here to debate or what? You asked opinions. You got mine.

[christianmathew]

No, I'm here to hear your opinions, and reply if I want to on your opinions, because I'm not that good at debating.

My computer won't let me follow the links all the time, but from what you quoted that sounded like politics was using religion, that someone was warping religion, not religion warping politics/someon.