Views of Women's Rights

[christianmathew]

really, and where do you get these facts? I've seen countless guys defeated in all sports by women. I've been beaten in Basketball, Soccer (known as football to those out of the States) and many other sports. I know girls who do weight lifting.

What facts? Those were questions. And I am not saying that girls can't be good at sports, and better than guys, they are obviously better than me. But still, the best boys are better than the best girls at sports. And can't the best men bench press more than the best women. I mean honestly, guys are naturally more physical, and girls are naturally more intelligent.

[Halofan48]

Then show evidence of this being true.

[JaneDoe321]

My 16 yr old daughter is the arm wrestling champion of her AFJROTC group, including the boys. She out-benches a good number of them, as well.

Granted, she's *one* girl, and is perhaps be the exception rather than the rule, but the fact remains there are plenty of exceptions, in both directions, in both genders.

On the *whole* women have smaller hands than men. That should make them preferable as gynecologists, and yet there are *thousands* of women who prefer a MALE gynecologist, and I don't think it's for the fantasies they trigger while having a pap smear.

I will absolutely agree that men and women are wired AND built differently, speaking in generalizations. However, as there is a *wide* spectrum of abilities, I prefer to decide on a case by case basis, and gender rarely comes into the decision.

And *none* of this makes "liberated women" the cause of the downfall of society. That sounds like something out of John Norman's fantasy books.

[christianmathew]

hey, if you believe women are stronger and more better than men, then I won't disagree with you. I guess I'm not a very good debater. I was just taught sexist things, I guess. And maybe times are changing. But I was just taught that.

[gela]

hey, if you believe women are stronger and more better than men, then I won't disagree with you. I guess I'm not a very good debater. I was just taught sexist things, I guess. And maybe times are changing. But I was just taught that.

No one was ever trying to claim superiority. We are asking for equality.

I know the concept is difficult to understand.

It should either be men in charge or women, not both. And it just seems that men take over because they are more physical, even though they aren't smarter.

In individual relationships, there probably has to be someone take charge. Thats for the couple to decide.

Society as a whole should give equal opportunities to both genders. There does not need to be a dominant gender.

It almost becomes a war, as anmon, Gela, and maryjane seem to have started to demonstrate.

The one waging war is Anmon.
Its not a difficult situation to understand.
"My gender is superior, we deserve superior rights"
"Umm not thanks, we will stick with equality"

As long as everyone respects everyone theres no reason for unrest.

[christianmathew]

No one was ever trying to claim superiority. We are asking for equality. I know the concept is difficult to understand.

Yes it is. There has never been equality between people or genders before, so it is hard to understand why now would be different.

In individual relationships, there probably has to be someone take charge. Thats for the couple to decide. Society as a whole should give equal opportunities to both genders. There does not need to be a dominant gender.

There does not need to be a dominant gender, yet for some reason there always is.

The one waging war is Anmon. Its not a difficult situation to understand. "My gender is superior, we deserve superior rights" "Umm not thanks, we will stick with equality" As long as everyone respects everyone theres no reason for unrest.

Anmon may seem like he is waging war, but you and maryjane are participating, so you are also at war. It is hard to respect someone you don't really know, so there will almost constantly be unrest.

[JaneDoe321]

Rebutting inane comments is not "waging war".

And it's NOT different now. That's no reason to ignore it, or to refuse to try to improve things, rather than insist that by going back to "the golden age of yore" we'd fix all societal ills... ye gads.

[gela]

There does not need to be a dominant gender, yet for some reason there always is.

That isn't a reason to make laws to keep one down.
We've only recently developed gender equality, give it some time.

[Technosoul]

[quote=Anmon;499730]

Better to just have the woman do it, it makes a lot more sense. You obviously no next to nothing about hard labouring jobs such as brick aying, concreting, form working, and scaffolding. Very masculine, and very necessary, go to a building site one day and educate yourself a bit on this. girly men, a great example for the kids to look up too. I didn't think they would be. Gender roles are very important, they give a sense of idenity for kids to focus on. Its your kind of thinking that is helping to screw up our society's even more. Thats just idiocy to believe that. Go try to do some hard labour for a few years if you think that, you wont last a day, and you would probably be absolutely useless. No abortion, any abortion is a bad thing, unless you enjoy knowing innocent life is being destroyed. It is the leading factor, feminism has done more to destroy modern family's than anything else. So do men, but we don't whine our guts out like you guys do, about everything being unfair all the time. Your just babies basically. We get fed by the pc media about how strong and indedpendant you are 24/7, yet soon as something goes wrong or you get scared, you run crying like babies for help, your just silly frauds that believe anything your told. So you admit there is no structure in present society? Yeah good luck with that, all that you will get is more family's busting apart, because its not in mens natures to be submissive, especially to women lol thats only for hen pecked wimps. You do, thats why there is so much security around now, in case you hadn't noticed. Your girl power is a big lie, that the media and socialists pushed on to you. It has no real courage or strength, and only idiots think that it does. lmao So you substitute technology for muscles, what happens when the technology goes, what are you going to do then? Back to pleading for men to help you with everything physical again? lol women have no integrity at all. Well physically you are, get used to it, theres more to life than that. Look you guys hide with the kids when the fighting gets tough, we have to look after you, don't feed me garbage about women standing shoulder to shoulder to us, your not our equals because of this. You are equal in a lot of other ways, but the above is what counts the most.

That might be so but some women can do construction jobs because safty laws make it possible. Anyway at least she can spell the names of the jobs she might want to apply for. And so why would an educated person want to lay bricks if they can get a cozy office job and become the CEO of the construction company?

[christianmathew]

That isn't a reason to make laws to keep one down. We've only recently developed gender equality, give it some time.

Equality will never work. I would be fine with a matriarchal society, as long as it doesn't have the problems an equal society does. I'm all for women in charge as long as it doesn't bring about the problems we have today.

[Technosoul]

One problem is that we attempted to create our culture (once) using some biblical concepts.

In the biblical view the had a chain of command much like what is used in our military.

The Commander and Chief is God. The man goes to church and gets his orders from God. Then he goes home and orders the woman, who then passes on the orders to the children. Preventing contradictions.
Until the children kick the family pet.

So everything was run by the church. The man would be the head of the household. and he would work as the women stayed home as the humble help mate taking care of the family and household.

Being that men ran all the businesses then they kept that same kind of chain of command in effect in that area of culture. Sometimes also having the wife help out in the family busness along with their children all working.

Even in America and even with the Consitution they carried on with that ancient concept.

Then Kaboom. Eve kicked over the apple kart.

Now we, for the first time in our local history have a woman running for President. But not without a lot of stuggles and action on the part of historical women who were determined to take their rightfull place in society.

No one gave them such rights, they just realized it and then made use of those self evident truisms to claim what is really their rights and were their rights all along.

One reason is that a good man is hard to find nowadays. If the girls just want a boxboy to carry stuff into the house then fine, but most women do not see that as being the strong points in a man (nor that sex thing ether), What they respect is a man who has strong principles, who has wisdom, honesty, calm logic, fairness, and who knows what love is really all about. Intelligence is also a plus factor. But men did not pay attention to the inner gods of good judgement and they lost that grace and respect, and fell down to being the beasts of burdon and that "piggy person". They lost site on how to rule the roost with kindness and firmness that does not resort to violence and shouting.

Their male tower of dominance came tumbling down like a stack of empty beer cans. Because they forgot how to be respectful.

So God said that he might as well try something different and allow women to have an equal chance to do his will and to create a better world, and so "here we are".

Now if you want proof. Just open your eyes and wake up and look around and see it for your self.

[gela]

Equality will never work.

This is completely unfounded by logic or phycology.

I would be fine with a matriarchal society, as long as it doesn't have the problems an equal society does. I'm all for women in charge as long as it doesn't bring about the problems we have today.

The problems we have today are not caused by two sexes being in the work force.

Can you please explain how that could possibly cause an increase in selfishness and materialistic values?

Mabe equality won't work, but there is no reason to say that it will never work.
Right now, we are in a transitional phase.

[Maryjane]

One more time...really, really, slowly.

We don' want to be in charge...

We don't want more than we deserve.

We want to be treated equally.

I do not believe the bar should be lowered for us.

I do believe if we can attain that bar and beyond that we not be penalized for having female genitallia.

Oh..and my favorite part of roofing was demolition and soldering copper. Least favorite...shuffling papers. Taxes and insurances...UGH!

1) ATF Agent
2) Executive Secretary
3) Dry wall finisher
4) Auto parts department

[christianmathew]

Technosoul,
Equal society isn't nearly as much about God as it is about politics and male dominince.

Gela,
I tell you equality will never work because that is what I believe and that is what history tells us. It could cause selfishness because the men and women are competing against each other, instead of caring for each other, and it could cause an increase in materialistic values because that is what people want with money, materials. You just wait and see, equality wil never work, or at least not to the extent that women want it to.

Maryjane,
If you want to be equal, this will not happen. Men will always want to be in charge, and if somehow they don't, then women will become greedy and want control. Look at Hilary Clinton, she doesn't want to be president for women but for herself! And the average girl wouldn't want to be a roofer, even though you were very successful at it.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: christianmathew It could cause selfishness because the men and women are competing against each other, instead of caring for each other, and it could cause an increase in materialistic values because that is what people want with money, materials. You just wait and see, equality wil never work, or at least not to the extent that women want it to.

I agree that equality causes competition between men and women, but in my experience this is friendly competition between equals. It's not a bad thing at all. In fact, it's good because when two EQUALS come together, true love can be possible -- It's not the same if one person has less power, less choice.

And I love how in our generation it is common to have friendships between men and women. This didn't happen in the past, generally men were friends with men and women were friends with women.

I think equality is working out great.

[christianmathew]

But will our temperary and unreliable equality survive?

[lindsay7]

Quote by: christianmathew But will our temperary and unreliable equality survive?

only time will tell

dun-dun-DUNNN ~


seriously there's no reason to think it's 'temporary and unreliable'

[christianmathew]

The reason I'll provide is simple. Look at history, and then just think.
How many societies with men and women as equals do you hear about surviving to become great world powers?

[lindsay7]

Quote by: christianmathew The reason I'll provide is simple. Look at history, and then just think. How many societies with men and women as equals do you hear about surviving to become great world powers?

Through history, there haven't been that many societies with men and women as equals to look at to draw conclusions from. Equality is new.

[christianmathew]

And there's a reason it hasn't been in the past much. Because it hasn't worked, and it won't work.

If you honestly believe that equality will stay, then I'm all for it. I just don't believe it'll last.