Views of Women's Rights

[Anmon]

Quote by: JaneDoe321 I think it's because as a species we've diversified our daily activities a bit more. We're not just "have babies, ensure babies survive" anymore.

Thats kind of what keeps a species survivng don't you think.

[Maryjane]

Anomon, have you ever considered that less women take part in construction because it's so male-orientated? They're more likely to face discrimination there than in the office.

Yes, that's true. My husband AND I owned a roofing business. Sometimes the men like to talk down to you, but when you let them know they can look for someone else to do their job they STFU.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Anmon Tommy, construction work is very dirty, physically demanding and often dangerous, thats why they don't take part in it. Get off the campus son.

Stay on campus Tommy. My husband never wanted our sons to have to work a shit job like roofing. It's very dangerous. And with any seasonal job it sucks in the summer and is cold in the winter.

[tommy5x]

I'm fully intending to stay on campus. Hmm contriution to socirty via both options, now let's see.

I can pave nature, OR I can conduct biochemical/neuroscientifical (I'm, undecided as of yet) research during the years in which I intend to achieve a Masters and PHd and cure some shit.

I'll take the latter thanks. Also, Anmon, I'd be grateful if you could refrain from talking to me as though I'm inferior to you. I may be younger than you, but that makes my views and opinions no less valid on the forum, and you have even less right to dictate my life to me.

[christianmathew]

I orginally agreed with anmon, that society has started to go to hell and there are a lot of problems between women and men, but he seems to be taking this a little far.

To be fair, I guess that girls have added a lot to society since they became a larger part of society. I do just see a lot of problems between women and men. It should either be men in charge or women, not both. And it just seems that men take over because they are more physical, even though they aren't smarter.

I do have to say that men can do a lot more things better than women. You may see a few women construction workers, but men will always be a lot better at it than women because they are more physical. Leave the engineering to women, because they are a lot smarter.

[christianmathew]

You go tommy5x. Power to the little people!

[Hurt]

Quote by: christianmathew I orginally agreed with anmon, that society has started to go to hell and there are a lot of problems between women and men, but he seems to be taking this a little far. To be fair, I guess that girls have added a lot to society since they became a larger part of society. I do just see a lot of problems between women and men. It should either be men in charge or women, not both. And it just seems that men take over because they are more physical, even though they aren't smarter. I do have to say that men can do a lot more things better than women. You may see a few women construction workers, but men will always be a lot better at it than women because they are more physical. Leave the engineering to women, because they are a lot smarter.

Why can't both men and women do it? I'm sure men can be just as better as women consistently. I don't think we really should feel any sort of obligation to only let one sex dominate.

[christianmathew]

Divorce, civil war, strike, all sorts of bad things can come from the male and female sex together. It almost becomes a war, as anmon, Gela, and maryjane seem to have started to demonstrate. There is an obligation, look at animals in nature, or look at old societies. They are all patriachal or matriachal, until very recently on a time scale.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew I orginally agreed with anmon, that society has started to go to hell and there are a lot of problems between women and men, but he seems to be taking this a little far. To be fair, I guess that girls have added a lot to society since they became a larger part of society. I do just see a lot of problems between women and men. It should either be men in charge or women, not both. And it just seems that men take over because they are more physical, even though they aren't smarter. I do have to say that men can do a lot more things better than women. You may see a few women construction workers, but men will always be a lot better at it than women because they are more physical. Leave the engineering to women, because they are a lot smarter.

It's against my better judgement to post this personal of information, but hopefully you will learn something from it. (against my better judgement only because most people don't learn the essential lessons of life until they live it)

A point was made about women doing men's jobs and it's one I'd like to expound on.

a little back ground:

I come from the stereotypical husband/ wife relationship. My mother raised five girls and my father worked three jobs to support us. Even so, we were barely above poverty level. We hardly ever got to see our dad unless our mom took us to the job site. So with both of them busting their asses to raise a family, both missed out on the opportunity to seek their own personal rewards. What happens when you get to the empty nest years? Your main goal in life is gone and often the next greatest joy in life comes with having grandchildren. My father missed out on being with his own children and all my mother knew was raising kids. To me, that's no life. The golden years my ass. That's when your health declines and you are too tired or sick to enjoy all that laboring you did over the years.


My husband's family was the same. His Dad made all the family decisions. His mom raised 7 children, three girls, four boys. (one died at birth) His dad worked two jobs plus they ran a family farm. His fathers objective in life was to retire one day and enjoy the grand kids. His mothers, being from the big city of Chicago, was to travel and see what was outside that 58 acre farm. (sorta reminded me of The Bridges of Madison County)

That said...

I entered the work force at 15. I never wanted to work in a no future job as hostess or cashier. I wanted a job with skills so I could support myself in the future. Often I was told "you can't do that..that's a man's job" which only made me more determined. With each succeeding job I out performed the men, was the highest paid, and earned their respect. (some weren't too happy when I took their jobs, but any other male could have done the same if they had worked as hard as myself) By the time my husband and I got married, I was the main bread winner. We pooled our funds and that afforded us many opportunities to enjoy the things we loved. We planned to continue doing them once we hit retirement age.


Neither my husband nor I wanted either of our parents marriages. The both seemed very unhappy with the choices they had made. We didn't want to live with those regrets. Our children were our main priority but we had our own hopes and dreams after they were grown. I sacrificed my goal of being a chef in my own restaurant for the good of the family because of the stereotypical discrimination against women in the work force. If I had been treated equally in pay I might have not had had to work two jobs to support the family while my husband got his business off the ground. Once it was established, we worked together to build it so eventually we could sell it and retire at a place of our dreams.

Well, that plan didn't work out. We were married 18 years, but just shy of being together 23. Our twelve years of hard work did provide a business I could sell and I do have job skills. I don't have to be at anyone's mercy or resort to stealing in order to provide for my kids and myself. Being able to tell an employer you work because you want to, not because you have to, is very empowering.

My kids look to me as a huge role model because I can carry on without the help of anyone else. I know how to maintain the house and yard. If there's something I don't know how to do, I learn. If I'm physically unable to do it, I hire someone.

This thing of women having to defend themselves...we typically don't put ourselves in those kind of situations. Most mature men I know don't either and if you think just because you are a man you can kick anyone's ass...sorry. Mistaken. There's always someone bigger and tougher than you that can push you around and it can be financially as well.

If more women and men understood all this we'd be much better off as a society. People need to stop raising their sons and daughters in these old fashioned gender roles.

True feminism doesn't destroy families or western society. It frees couples up to follow their dreams. They get to grow old together in a relationship of mutual respect. It's the solid foundation that I stand on today that was taught to me by examining how the previous generation's lives weren't as great as some would like to believe. I can look in the mirror completely confident that I'm a shining example of it working.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew Divorce, civil war, strike, all sorts of bad things can come from the male and female sex together. It almost becomes a war, as anmon, Gela, and maryjane seem to have started to demonstrate. There is an obligation, look at animals in nature, or look at old societies. They are all patriachal or matriachal, until very recently on a time scale.

It's a matter of mutual respect. Nothing more, nothing less.

[christianmathew]

Whoa, Maryjane, I was trying to support you. Didn't mean to tick you off there. Hey, I understand what you mean, and that story was exceptional. But really, would you be able to do construction? For a living? That's why I say some jobs are men's. And you women are smarter than us men, didn't I admit that? You at least seem to have a lot of devotion and a strong work ethic. Sorry I ticked you off.

[Halofan48]

Quote by: christianmathew Divorce, civil war, strike, all sorts of bad things can come from the male and female sex together. It almost becomes a war, as anmon, Gela, and maryjane seem to have started to demonstrate. There is an obligation, look at animals in nature, or look at old societies. They are all patriachal or matriachal, until very recently on a time scale.

As long as one is treated as less, they will try to gain equality, causing conflict. If the world could accept men and women as equals, there'd be likely less conflict caused from it.

[christianmathew]

It's a matter of mutual respect. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hey, that may be true of you and your family, but that isn't necsesarily true for the rest of the world. Mutual respect may be the answer, but that is hard to find these days. If a family isn't divorced, they have problems, or are staying together for the kids. So mutual respect may let men and women work together, but that isn't common these days.

[Halofan48]

Quote by: christianmathew Whoa, Maryjane, I was trying to support you. Didn't mean to tick you off there. Hey, I understand what you mean, and that story was exceptional. But really, would you be able to do construction? For a living? That's why I say some jobs are men's. And you women are smarter than us men, didn't I admit that? You at least seem to have a lot of devotion and a strong work ethic. Sorry I ticked you off.

For all you know she maybe able to. Lets take a look at some other species shall we. Often, the female lions are the hunters for the pride. Just one example off the back. I've known girls who could do construction. Women can be just as strong as men, if not stronger.

[christianmathew]

As long as one is treated as less, they will try to gain equality, causing conflict. If the world could accept men and women as equals, there'd be likely less conflict caused from it.

You see, but that's a large part of the problem. The world doesn't accept men and women as equals, and quite often they're not. In construction men are superior, in other things (like engineering) women are. The world doesn't accept things easily.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: christianmathew Whoa, Maryjane, I was trying to support you. Didn't mean to tick you off there. Hey, I understand what you mean, and that story was exceptional. But really, would you be able to do construction? For a living? That's why I say some jobs are men's. And you women are smarter than us men, didn't I admit that? You at least seem to have a lot of devotion and a strong work ethic. Sorry I ticked you off.

Who's ticked off? I have to ask, are you sure you have the mental and emotional ability to handle mature debate? I was pretty sure I was going to waste my time trying to explain how feminism works.

[Maryjane]

But really, would you be able to do construction? For a living? That's why I say some jobs are men's.

Helloooooooo? I did do construction for a living...roofing!

[christianmathew]

For all you know she maybe able to. Lets take a look at some other species shall we. Often, the female lions are the hunters for the pride. Just one example off the back. I've known girls who could do construction. Women can be just as strong as men, if not stronger.

Hey, I haven't been a construction worker, so I wouldn't know. But lets look at sports, something I am familiar with. Men are faster, stronger, and usually just plain better to put it bluntly. Who holds the world record for the hundred meter? The mile? Who is the fastest swimmer today? Who are the best soccer and american football players? How about baseball players? These are all posistions held by men. No offense intended, but men are more physical.

[Halofan48]

really, and where do you get these facts? I've seen countless guys defeated in all sports by women. I've been beaten in Basketball, Soccer (known as football to those out of the States) and many other sports. I know girls who do weight lifting.

[christianmathew]

Who's ticked off? I have to ask, are you sure you have the mental and emotional ability to handle mature debate? I was pretty sure I was going to waste my time trying to explain how feminism works.

Gues I shouldn't be caring. Well, maybe I was being a little sexist, thinking you would get mad over nothing. Oh yeah, the mods hate me, so I try to keep it as close to PG as possible.

Helloooooooo? I did do construction for a living...roofing!

And were you the best at it? Or how about your sisters, since you seem to be exceptional?