Laws and other rules against atheists and agnostics

[Halofan48]

christians and their mission to discriminate against gays and non believers

[HelioPrime]

Atheists and their attempts to lead everyone else to the same hell.

[Halofan48]

Christians and there attempts to terrorize the world into believing they'll go to hell unless they follow them as to support terrible things like the crusades, Spanish inquisition, and witch hunts.


you know im just joking around right?

[Winter wind]

Quote by: Halo christians and their mission to discriminate against gays and non believers

Oui, not mine.
Don't forget about me.

you know im just joking around right?

Nice.

Quote by: helioprime Atheists and their attempts to lead everyone else to the same hell.

Yes, they are trying to send people to a place they don't think exists.

Finally, the original question. Why should the state be allowed to judge a person's testimony based on their religious beliefs? Something that specifically banned in the Bill of Rights.

[Jack]

Why should the state be allowed to judge a person's testimony based on their religious beliefs?

Perhaps due to the false impression that swearing on a Bible (in itself a rather superstitious action, like swearing on your mother's grave) will somehow compel a Christian person to be truthful. I think we've seen enough examples of that not being the case to understand it doesn't work.

[Maryjane]

Yes, they are trying to send people to a place they don't think exists.

Thanks WW...You beat me to it.

[Foxfyre]

Actually I think this is moot since the law itself is illegal--no state or local law can contradict the Constitution. A judge who presumed he was bound by the law would certainly be overturned so the chances that anybody would even attempt to use this law in court or for any kind of public policy is virtually nil.

Consider some of the other squirrly laws still on the books just because nobody ever got around to removing them:

In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession.

In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760.

Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane.

In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home.

In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal.

It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State.

In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel.

California law prohibits a woman from driving a car while dressed in a housecoat.

In Memphis, Tennessee, a woman is not to drive a car unless a man warns approaching motorists or pedestrians by walking in front of the car that is being driven.

In Tennessee, it is against the law to drive a car while sleeping.

In New York, it is against the law for a blind person to drive an automobile.

In West Virginia, only babies can ride in a baby carriage.

In Georgia, it is against the law to slap a man on the back or front.

A barber is not to advertise prices in the State of Georgia.

In Louisiana, a bill was introduced years ago in the State House of Representatives that fixed a ceiling on haircuts for bald men of 25 cents.

In Oklahoma, no baseball team can hit the ball over the fence or out of a ballpark.

Can you imagine anybody bringing any of these up in court?

[Winter wind]

Thanks WW...You beat me to it.

All in a days work (I even did it while playing this awesome video game "the world ends with you". Anybody who has a nintendo ds should look this up.)

[Maryjane]

I think I'm the only one on this planet that's not a gamer now a days. Stopped playing when Super NES came out (if that's any indication how long it's been)
back on topic...

Several Virginia code's have been changed. Somebody musta complained?

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: Winter wind Oui, not mine. Don't forget about me. Nice. Yes, they are trying to send people to a place they don't think exists. Finally, the original question. Why should the state be allowed to judge a person's testimony based on their religious beliefs? Something that specifically banned in the Bill of Rights.

I know all about that first hand! Prior to my trial back in February of 2006 I wrote the judge a letter explaining that since I had no first hand knowledge of the existence of a being called God it would be hypocritical of me to take the 'oath' and say so help me God. When I 'testified' he was less than pleased to 'swear' me in. After I was convicted/sentenced I of course appealed and we filed a Motion for Bond on Appeal. One of the reasons that I was denied bond was the fact that I refused to take the 'customary oath'!

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: Jack Perhaps due to the false impression that swearing on a Bible (in itself a rather superstitious action, like swearing on your mother's grave) will somehow compel a Christian person to be truthful. I think we've seen enough examples of that not being the case to understand it doesn't work.

From what root Greek word does 'testify' and/or 'testimony' originate?

Would you believe testicles!

Why? Because in the ancient world oaths were sworn by placing the hand on the 'genitals' of the person you swore the oath to.

Check out what happened in Genesis with Abraham's servant. The King James Version says the servant placed his hand on Abraham's 'inner thigh' -- in the Hebrew it says on the genitals.

So next time you take that oath ask the judge, you want me to do what?

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: Foxfyre Actually I think this is moot since the law itself is illegal--no state or local law can contradict the Constitution. A judge who presumed he was bound by the law would certainly be overturned so the chances that anybody would even attempt to use this law in court or for any kind of public policy is virtually nil. Consider some of the other squirrly laws still on the books just because nobody ever got around to removing them: In Texas, it's against the law for anyone to have a pair of pliers in his or her possession. In Philadelphia, you can't put pretzels in bags based on an Act of 1760. Alaska law says that you can't look at a moose from an airplane. In Corpus Christie, Texas, it is illegal to raise alligators in your home. In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal. It is against the law to mispronounce the name of the State of Arkansas in that State. In Illinois, the law is that a car must be driven with the steering wheel. California law prohibits a woman from driving a car while dressed in a housecoat. In Memphis, Tennessee, a woman is not to drive a car unless a man warns approaching motorists or pedestrians by walking in front of the car that is being driven. In Tennessee, it is against the law to drive a car while sleeping. In New York, it is against the law for a blind person to drive an automobile. In West Virginia, only babies can ride in a baby carriage. In Georgia, it is against the law to slap a man on the back or front. A barber is not to advertise prices in the State of Georgia. In Louisiana, a bill was introduced years ago in the State House of Representatives that fixed a ceiling on haircuts for bald men of 25 cents. In Oklahoma, no baseball team can hit the ball over the fence or out of a ballpark. Can you imagine anybody bringing any of these up in court?

Yes and Kentucky has a law about 'stalking', KRS 508.130 (2) "... If the defendant claims that he was engaged in constitutionally protected activity, the court SHALL determine the validity of that claim as a matter of law and, if found valid, shall exclude that activity from evidence.
I raised this issue not once, not twice but three times at pre-trial hearings
(12/21/05; 1/18/06; and 2/14/06) both by written motion and in oral arguments -- guess what the judge failed to hold a statutory mandated hearing!
On February 15, 2008 the Kentucky Court of Appeals reversed 3 of my 4 convictions. We're currently in the Kentucky Supreme Court with a Motion for Discretionary Review. I spent 871 days in jail/prison for something that never should have gone to trial. This will probably drag on for another 6-18 months. Is this justice for all? Or fir just us, ya'll!