The Abortion Issue

[Dagda]

First of all, I'm not a literalist or fundamentalist of any kind. Also, I'm a social democrat, not a conservitive so don't fall into the traditional pro-life group.
There is only 3 reasons abortion should be allowed; little or no chance of the survival of the mother or child; mother to young hence it would do more damage than good to the mother and child and rape.
Other than that, it is being used as a form of contraception. This is wrong as it means the unnessasery murder of an innocent child. What right does anyone have of ending the life of any child, let alone one who is still hidding in there mothers womb?

[Anmon]

Its contraception for lazy people.

[sdbest]

While I get the first reason, I don't get the other two. There's no such thing as a mother who is too young--assuming this is about biology. As for rape, why should a viable fetus suffer for the actions of a rapist? If it matters, I'm pro-choice. But I am interested why you'd think that a mother's age or rape are reasons justifying abortion.

[Anmon]

I can see the rape reason, it would be hard for any woman to love a kid thats been forcefully put into them.
Imagine the kid growing up and being told the father was a rapist, and you are here as a result of rape.

[sdbest]

Quote by: Anmon I can see the rape reason, it would be hard for any woman to love a kid thats been forcefully put into them. Imagine the kid growing up and being told the father was a rapist, and you are here as a result of rape.

But, what's that got to do with the kid? Why should the kid be deprived of life for his or her father's or mother's actions or attitudes? Would it be so bad finding out your father was a rapist? Maybe not.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I'd imagine it'd be terrible for the mother, but she could see her baby as a way to gain good out of bad. She'll definitely need major counseling either way, and I don't see how adding what is often the guilt of abortion is going to help her at that moment.

[Dagda]

But I am interested why you'd think that a mother's age or rape are reasons justifying abortion.

Simply put, in rape cases, the victim can suffer depression. if they are told they must have the child, this could drive them to suicide. The option should be there just in case.
A female hips don't fully mature untill about 18 hence a baby could do untold damage. Plus the sycological effect of a child too young.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Dagda Other than that, it is being used as a form of contraception.

Nope. You're wrong.

It's not your decision to make, nor is it a "child". Sperm and egg aren't a child. You're just doing what the fundies do: arbitrarily picking a point in the process and calling it the "beginning" because it fits with your opinion.

[Dagda]

So where do you pick the begining at?

[Maryjane]

Does life begin at conception? I think it does.

Enjoy reading ....

[Anmon]

Yet another abortion topic for the godless to drool over, commend its value, analyse feverishly to death how great they think it is, and discuss.
Definitely along with womens rights, one of their favourite subjects for social conflict.

[tommy5x]

What about gays, and their destructive effect on society?

[Maryjane]

The gays can get in line behind the women like everyone else.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Dagda So where do you pick the begining at?

Tsk, tsk, Dagda, it's not nice to answer a question with a question.
Especially when you asked the question. You have been shown why the beginning you picked is questionable, so now you should justify or apologize.

[Maryjane]

There is only 3 reasons abortion should be allowed; little or no chance of the survival of the mother or child; mother to young hence it would do more damage than good to the mother and child and rape. Other than that, it is being used as a form of contraception.

There's a problem with your argument. What you are saying is, those are the only reasons for that form of **birth control** you can find acceptable.

[tommy5x]

Technically, abortion isn;t contraception. Fertillisation has already taken place.

[Maryjane]

I'll retract..you are correct.

[JaneDoe321]

Quote by: Anmon Yet another abortion topic for the godless to drool over, commend its value, analyse feverishly to death how great they think it is, and discuss. Definitely along with womens rights, one of their favourite subjects for social conflict.

You know, amazingly enough it's NOT just "the godless" who support abortion rights. IN fact, even among atheists there is a vast difference of opinion. And I know *a LOT* of theists who support the right to safe, legal abortions.

[Maryjane]

WHO HAS ABORTIONS? • Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.[3]•

You didn't get the memo Jane? When you can't produce evidence...blame the godless and women. Seems to be a reoccuring theme on Volconvo lately.

anyone wants that souce sited can go dig thru my posts on the other abortion threads...It's been sited once already.

[LadiesMan217]

I will try and answer for Dagda. Life begins at conception, once the egg is fertilized, then the process of new life has already begun and to kill that new developing life should only be acceptable in extreme, desperate occasions when the life of the mother is in danger.