Hats in School

[ShadowFox]

I have an interesting topic. Kids in High school are now getting referrals for wearing a hat or hood that are not representing the high school in class. They're main argument is that it's identification for gangs.

One problem with this is that they'll simply find another way to identify themselves as a gang member, and that banning hats won't really help.

Another argument is that it can aid in cheating because the teachers can't see what the student is looking at.

The thing is that would mean all hats be banned including the high school hats. Also, hair can do the same thing.

So, what are your opinions on the fact that hats and hoods that don't represent the school are aren't allowed in class or on school grounds, depending on the school.

[Compugasm]

The brilliant solution, is for the gangs to adopt the school clothing as their uniform.

[Maryjane]

The thing is that would mean all hats be banned including the high school hats.

All hats are banned at our county schools...elementary thru high. We don't have a big problem with gangs. Not sure how it is in the city schools?

[Chaossaber314]

Yeah I've also had many teachers and administrators ban hats as well. Blew my mind when I started taking weight training after 4 years of college and had my instructor inform me that hats were not allowed in his class. I think it's more personal preference than any real fear of gang insignia because there's plenty more that gangs identify themselves with than hats.

Following that logic they should ban sign-language since it could be used to pass along gang signs. Oh noes!1!

[Technosoul]

baning "gang colors" is the same thing as teaching that discrimination is okay if done so by the mainstream authorities.

Although the hood should not be used as a mask, the teacher and security cameras should be able to see the faces of students, especially those who snooze in class.

But it is a fad, and a way that kids wish to express their individual status in their teen community, and that is all part of being a teen. It is up to the teachers to reach acorss the generation gap in order to field the idea that diversity is okay and that people of diverse backgrounds can all work together in a spirit of unity and even trust one another, by getting to know others and that we all have simular areas that bond us together as human beings.

[Anmon]

If it hides your face then it should be banned, its about mostly the security cameras not being able to identify you.
I am no fan of the over the top security measures we have now, mostly because I see them as the solution to a problem that could have been solved in other ways.
But big brother has always wanted to watch everyone, and hes using the crime problem he created with social engineering techniques and movements, as an excuse to trap us all together in the same box.
I am only for the removal of hats and hoods because its a school area and innocent kids could get hurt if these measures aren't taken.
Which is what big brother intended all along.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon If it hides your face then it should be banned, its about mostly the security cameras not being able to identify you. I am no fan of the over the top security measures we have now, mostly because I see them as the solution to a problem that could have been solved in other ways.

The argument that hats and hoods are dangerous constitutes pathetic reasoning. Unfortunately, this out-of-touch assumption isn't going the way of the dodo. I've seen violence in high school (though nothing too dramatic), and it had nothing to do with hats or hoods.

Grandpa h.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Halofan48 I have an interesting topic. Kids in High school are now getting referrals for wearing a hat or hood that are not representing the high school in class. They're main argument is that it's identification for gangs. One problem with this is that they'll simply find another way to identify themselves as a gang member, and that banning hats won't really help. Another argument is that it can aid in cheating because the teachers can't see what the student is looking at. The thing is that would mean all hats be banned including the high school hats. Also, hair can do the same thing. So, what are your opinions on the fact that hats and hoods that don't represent the school are aren't allowed in class or on school grounds, depending on the school.

There was a time when it was considered inappropriate to wear any hat indoors.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: grandpa The argument that hats and hoods are dangerous constitutes pathetic reasoning. Unfortunately, this out-of-touch assumption isn't going the way of the dodo. I've seen violence in high school (though nothing too dramatic), and it had nothing to do with hats or hoods. Grandpa h.

Indeed. In fact, all of the schools that have implemented such inane policies Post-Columbine such as this, installing security cameras, adding resource officers and/or security personnel never seem to acknowledge that Columbine had security cameras and resource officers on staff. A lot of good that did.

[Maryjane]

There was a time when it was considered inappropriate to wear any hat indoors.

You are correct Chancellor. I believe that's the real reason they are banned here to begin with.

At my son's winter program, I recall the principal making a request to some in the audience to remove their hats. (it was held in the nearby baptist church)

[Whilletal]

We can wear hats at my university. However when taking an exam they have to be stowed under the chair. Sad fact is people do use them to cheat with.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Maryjane You are correct Chancellor. I believe that's the real reason they are banned here to begin with. At my son's winter program, I recall the principal making a request to some in the audience to remove their hats. (it was held in the nearby baptist church)

Yes, it is a religious idea and one likewise used in a courtroom to show respect for a judge. Taking off the hat in the presences of someone more divine then your self.

Schools should not advocate religious dogma as that is unconsitutional but because it is done in a court of law they can get away with it. Only a pope or king should wear the hat, a great big one decorated with jewels is the most impressive, the peeons should take off their hat when they bow to the "great one". That is if you believe in such nonsense.

The hood thing was popular with the Monks.

Now in Islam the women must cover up their heads, where as here in our schools they demand you go naked headed. So what will the Islamic girls do when confronted with that school policy?

[Maryjane]

I always thought it was a southern "thang" Techno. You don't wear your hat in the house and you NEVER wear one at the table! (shirts are required at the table as well)

Halo, what is the requirement for Muslim girls at your school?

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa The argument that hats and hoods are dangerous constitutes pathetic reasoning. Unfortunately, this out-of-touch assumption isn't going the way of the dodo. I've seen violence in high school (though nothing too dramatic), and it had nothing to do with hats or hoods. Grandpa h.

Thats not the point I was making, hats and hoods help hide your face from view therefore making it harder to identify you on camera.
As a lot of gangster types dress like this precisely for the above reason, we thus have this ban.
And yes our civil liberty's get crushed as a result of it.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon Thats not the point I was making, hats and hoods help hide your face from view therefore making it harder to identify you on camera. As a lot of gangster types dress like this precisely for the above reason, we thus have this ban.

Why is it important to be identified by security cameras? Security cameras don't necessarily spell security anyway.
Paranoids spend a lot of time arranging the world to suit themselves, imposing all kinds of absurd and draconian policies in the name of security.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa Why is it important to be identified by security cameras?

So the goons can make a positive arrest on you with evidence, if the cameras record you committing a crime.

Security cameras don't necessarily spell security anyway.

Depends on who's monitoring them I guess, and how far away the actual security is viewing with the cameras.

Paranoids spend a lot of time arranging the world to suit themselves, imposing all kinds of absurd and draconian policies in the name of security.

It's not paranoia, its the NWO.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Anmon So the goons can make a positive arrest on you with evidence, if the cameras record you committing a crime. Depends on who's monitoring them I guess, and how far away the actual security is viewing with the cameras.

A crime like what? Walkings oemwhere without "security clearance"? Because that's the kind of environment these things shape. It's no longer a learning environment (if it ever truly was), but a prison.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

I agree, we are all being tossed in with the rubbish.
Thats the NWO, when it does take total control, all major crime will vanish, because they will be the criminals running everything,.
You will see all criminals like gangs drug lords etc executed by the state, and the thugs that usually go to gangs will be recruited by them instead, just like the Nazis did.
But those cameras aren't going anywhere, they will be left to watch us.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Yeah I've also had many teachers and administrators ban hats as well. Blew my mind when I started taking weight training after 4 years of college and had my instructor inform me that hats were not allowed in his class. I think it's more personal preference than any real fear of gang insignia because there's plenty more that gangs identify themselves with than hats. Following that logic they should ban sign-language since it could be used to pass along gang signs. Oh noes!1!

That's probably just the teacher's preference. Anyway, I attended a high school where you had to be shaven, never mind wearing hats

[Anmon]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary That's probably just the teacher's preference. Anyway, I attended a high school where you had to be shaven, never mind wearing hats

were you in a monastery or something?