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tivodan1116 · Apr 5, 2008, 12:53 pm

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*sigh* I'd settle for the restoration of some degree of personal honor and chivalry. I was standing in line at the grocery store with my mom and my little sister on the day before Easter. My mom was taking care of the groceries for our dinner the next day, and I was right behind her with the groceries that we were buying for my grandfather, who is unable to get about any more to buy them himself. Behind me was a line of eight or so carts: young mothers with crying babies, old women with walkers, young kids pulling stuff off shelves. So when I had put my cart at the end of the conveyor and was moving to the counter to wait for my items to be rung up, some fiftiesh guy comes walking up from the side and cuts in front of all those people and me when I was already at the counter and pulling out the checkbook and has the girl ring his groceries up. No honor whatsoever. I wanted to give him a piece of my mind. I most nearly did. Men used to be more respectable.

That's not a matter of chivalry, it's a matter of being a jerk... He would have done that no matter who was standing there in line.

That being said, would you prefer to have chivalry and honor, or equal treatment and equal rights? You cannot have both.

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2008, 01:46 pm

That's not true. I think that both sexes should have chivalry and honor. I personally have a strong sense of honor. I just think that men particularly should know better. It used to be expected of them.

tivodan1116 · Apr 5, 2008, 02:52 pm

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I just think that men particularly should know better. It used to be expected of them.

I see. Then can I assume that you would agree that women particularly should know that their place is in the home? It used to be expected of them.

Compugasm · Apr 5, 2008, 05:15 pm

I bet phoenix fire gives great chivalry.

SoylentGreen · Apr 5, 2008, 05:32 pm

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That being said, would you prefer to have chivalry and honor, or equal treatment and equal rights? You cannot have both.

I agree with Phoenix Fire, it's not a and/or, but more of a balance of both.
Your more likely to get a society that has equal treatment and equal rights when the people have a sense of chivalry and honor

The Bacon Guy · Apr 5, 2008, 06:15 pm

I think the blog was a pretty accurate portrayal of a lot of women nowadays. But then I could write a blog about how half the men out there are either braindead twats or pussy-whipped manwhores. The majortiy of people from any race, gender, sexual orientation etc. are usually pretty odious.

Other than that, the blog raised a few good points about gender bias in the media and legal system. It would have been a nicer read if the author didn't have such a blind hatred of women.

SoylentGreen · Apr 5, 2008, 06:27 pm

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But then I could write a blog about how half the men out there are either braindead twats or pussy-whipped manwhores. The majortiy of people from any race, gender, sexual orientation etc. are usually pretty odious.

Speaking of blind hatred.

BTW, does any one else get an add for a lesbian dating service with this thread?
There solution to the problem perhaps.

The Bacon Guy · Apr 5, 2008, 06:33 pm

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Speaking of blind hatred.

'Taint blind hatred because I don't generalise like the gentleman in the blog is doing. I don't hate any one person without getting to know them first.

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2008, 07:01 pm

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I see. Then can I assume that you would agree that women particularly should know that their place is in the home? It used to be expected of them.

Abso-frickin'-lutely-not-how-could-you-even-assume-that-or-say-that-to-my-monitor!?!

*pant*

*composes self*

I just said that I expect the same things from men and women. I don't know why you're acting offended. Is it really too much to ask people to be considerate of each other!?! To put others before themselves? How narrow! In feudal Japan, warriors' daughters were taught honor and the skills of a warrior as well as the sons, if not to the same extent or standards.

(*grumbles* If a woman's place is in the home, then I guess you won't mind sleeping in the garage!)

Idiotic misanthropes used to think that women were inferior to men. They believed that women did not possess reason. They also thought that your brain was located in your chest and that black people were one step up from monkeys. The whole "women are meant to be in the home" mentality had its heyday because people used forced differences between men and women to discriminate against women and especially against people of other races at the same time. If women stayed in the home, then white men were automatically superior to blacks and immigrants. This idea had nothing to do with chivalry and everything to do with bigotry.

Tivo, I expected better or you. Don't promulgate the jackassery.

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2008, 07:03 pm

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Speaking of blind hatred.

BTW, does any one else get an add for a lesbian dating service with this thread?
There solution to the problem perhaps.

Mine is a poll for gay marriage. Same thing, I guess.

tivodan1116 · Apr 5, 2008, 09:38 pm

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Abso-frickin'-lutely-not-how-could-you-even-assume-that-or-say-that-to-my-monitor!?!

*pant*

*composes self*

I just said that I expect the same things from men and women. I don't know why you're acting offended. Is it really too much to ask people to be considerate of each other!?! To put others before themselves? How narrow! In feudal Japan, warriors' daughters were taught honor and the skills of a warrior as well as the sons, if not to the same extent or standards.

(*grumbles* If a woman's place is in the home, then I guess you won't mind sleeping in the garage!)

Idiotic misanthropes used to think that women were inferior to men. They believed that women did not possess reason. They also thought that your brain was located in your chest and that black people were one step up from monkeys. The whole "women are meant to be in the home" mentality had its heyday because people used forced differences between men and women to discriminate against women and especially against people of other races at the same time. If women stayed in the home, then white men were automatically superior to blacks and immigrants. This idea had nothing to do with chivalry and everything to do with bigotry.

Tivo, I expected better or you. Don't promulgate the jackassery.

My comment was based on this:

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I just think that men particularly should know better. It used to be expected of them.

So you're expecting a higher standard for men. Therefore, you yourself are seeking to give women special treatment.

That's all.

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2008, 10:21 pm

Not a bit. The fact is that I'm asking something of women that hasn't necessarily been asked of them in many cultures' history. Incidentally, that same something has been asked of men for most of most cultures' history. And that's why I think that men should know better. I don't think that women should get special treatment: I just think that men should live up to the basic principles that they should all already know.

Piscean · Apr 5, 2008, 10:23 pm

Yep, and these same weak character lacking men think I'm a barbarian because I'd throw them right back outa that line and make them apologize to you. I'm very sorry to say but i think "men" are almost extinct now.

lindsay7 · Apr 5, 2008, 11:29 pm

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Yep, and these same weak character lacking men think I'm a barbarian because I'd throw them right back outa that line and make them apologize to you. I'm very sorry to say but i think "men" are almost extinct now.

That's foolish.. actions like that can get you thrown in jail. This isn't the wild wild west.

It would be unnessesary, one can get a better response by firmly, but politely saying, as if the person wasn't aware of their mistake - "Excuse me sir, the back of the line is over there". This works in my experience. In most cases, they don't want to look like a jackass infront of everyone, after you've pointed out what they've done.

Piscean · Apr 5, 2008, 11:36 pm

And if he says I know where the back of the line is piss off then what do you suggest i do out of curiosity?

lindsay7 · Apr 5, 2008, 11:39 pm

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And if he says I know where the back of the line is piss off then what do you suggest i do out of curiosity?

At that point the cashier should tell him to go to the back of the line, I would, if i was the cashier. If that doesnt happen though, I don't know man, let it go. Is it worth getting in a fight for?

tivodan1116 · Apr 6, 2008, 02:40 am

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And if he says I know where the back of the line is piss off then what do you suggest i do out of curiosity?

Are you going to initiate force based upon line jumping???

The sensible thing to do at that point is get on with your business.

Compugasm · Apr 6, 2008, 05:05 am

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Are you going to initiate force based upon line jumping?

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... When someone insults your women let's say for example because they've always been able to get away with being a little turd knowing that if you touch them they can have you arrested and sued. Does anyone else burn to give them the discipline mommy and daddy didn't?

Piscean ain't got no time for the jibba-jabba. There is just one word for you Tivo, and that word is PAIN.

Domino · Apr 6, 2008, 02:01 pm

If no one initiates the use of force for line-jumping, the asshole will never learn why he shouldn't. Sure, talk first... then take his legs out from under him... as long as someone else is offering, anyway

Piscean · Apr 6, 2008, 04:57 pm

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At that point the cashier should tell him to go to the back of the line, I would, if i was the cashier. If that doesnt happen though, I don't know man, let it go. Is it worth getting in a fight for?

That is the sensable thing I admit but thats why men are jerks, noone can put them in their place anymore.

Apr 5, 2008, 01:46 pm	#42 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	That's not true. I think that both sexes should have chivalry and honor. I personally have a strong sense of honor. I just think that men particularly should know better. It used to be expected of them. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 5, 2008, 05:15 pm	#44 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,735	I bet phoenix fire gives great chivalry. I'd like to thank Charlie Hodge, bringing me scarves and water.

Apr 5, 2008, 10:21 pm	#52 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Not a bit. The fact is that I'm asking something of women that hasn't necessarily been asked of them in many cultures' history. Incidentally, that same something has been asked of men for most of most cultures' history. And that's why I think that men should know better. I don't think that women should get special treatment: I just think that men should live up to the basic principles that they should all already know. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 6, 2008, 02:01 pm	#59 (permalink) (top)
Domino I'm a pushover Posts: 344	If no one initiates the use of force for line-jumping, the asshole will never learn why he shouldn't. Sure, talk first... then take his legs out from under him... as long as someone else is offering, anyway kill President attack nuclear bomb smuggle Echelon just recorded this message.

Apr 5, 2008, 06:15 pm	#46 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,035	I think the blog was a pretty accurate portrayal of a lot of women nowadays. But then I could write a blog about how half the men out there are either braindead twats or pussy-whipped manwhores. The majortiy of people from any race, gender, sexual orientation etc. are usually pretty odious. Other than that, the blog raised a few good points about gender bias in the media and legal system. It would have been a nicer read if the author didn't have such a blind hatred of women.

Apr 5, 2008, 10:23 pm	#53 (permalink) (top)
Piscean Igneous Magma Posts: 279	Yep, and these same weak character lacking men think I'm a barbarian because I'd throw them right back outa that line and make them apologize to you. I'm very sorry to say but i think "men" are almost extinct now.

Apr 5, 2008, 11:36 pm	#55 (permalink) (top)
Piscean Igneous Magma Posts: 279	And if he says I know where the back of the line is piss off then what do you suggest i do out of curiosity?