The Problem With Women Today

[lindsay7]

Awardness,

My grandmother was slapped by her husband as though she was a child, who dared to question his unequivical authority. But that was normal back then, women were thought of as subordinate. They had to obey or get hit.

Don't talk about the past like it was so great for women, and now we've messed things up for ourselves.

Yes there are problems in society, there were back then too.
But two equal, loving partners can, and do, thrive here. YOU, however, have obviously made a failure of your life, and are extremely bitter. Congratulations.

[SoylentGreen]

The blogg is a random mess off nonsense.
A very tenuous connections of generalised statements. I find it hard to believe that any one could could believe in this let alone create it.
You are correct lindsay7, The argument is easily dismissed but the problem lies with the creator or those who endorse it. Awardness obviously has many issues in his life and should seek help for them.

[Jack]

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[SoylentGreen]

True and my apology, but I would maintain that should Awardness decide to actually back his stance then the issue of mental stability and coping with anger management would be a very important part of the argument.
But hopefully it can be done without bringing in personal attacks

[JaneDoe321]

I believe that to some degree we are seeing the result of the pendulum swinging *way* the heck in the opposite direction (or *have*, I *think* it's improving in miniscule steps...)

I don't think we've reached real equality in all things... but I think it's important to keep *talking* about it, instead of just turning a blind eye to the male-bashing that's been going on in the last few decades. I think *that* needs to stop, just as much as men slapping women because they view it as keeping their "property" in line needed to stop (and yes, I know it still goes on but at least in general our society frowns on that behavior... it's still difficult for male victims of sexual/domestic violence to get assistance/support).

I also think that it's *good* that we have recognize and embrace the differences in the genders. I remember reading a short story when I was in about 6th grade... The Barbie Colony or something like that [edited... The Barbie Murders... i had to look it up, it was making me insane... lol], where people, upon joining, were altered into androgynous "barbie" type people (I tried doing a book report and my teacher was horrified and the topic was *way* over my classmate's heads... lol). I don't think that that kind of "sameness" existence is a good thing. (I'm also in no way bashing people who are gay/bi/transexual/transgendered, etc. I see all those variations as part of the spectrum, and that's good, IMO)

[phoenix_fire]

I too felt like I was coming out of a marathon of inanity reading that blog. While I agree that there are huge problems with feminine culture in this country (and others), I also believe that there are huge problems with masculine culture. I could write a book on it. I think that many of both sets of problems are caused by the opposite sex (quite a few on the men's side, and most on the women's.). So before the blogger wants to go off on his misogynistic tirade on women, he should remind himself that much of what he complains about is in the very least partially the fault of men.

I am appalled by the implication that women's minds are fundamentally unsuited to anything beyond being house/sex slaves or pretty faces in the checkout line or behind a receptionist's desk. I will concede that there is a possibility of difference between the minds and psyches of men and women, but only on the grounds that they work differently: not unequally. On a personal note, I would be happy to take on Awardness and any other misogynist comer in a contest of wits in the fields of technology, chemistry, history, linguistics, theology, etc. Not because I think I'm necessarily smarter than any man: just because I'm counting on the statistical near-certainty that anyone ignorant enough to endorse the content of that blog probably isn't that bright.

(For the occasional poster that has to have a translation of witty and/or higher vocabulary phrases and thoughts predigested and spoon-fed, I was not calling Awardness unintelligent, etc. I was merely saying that people in general who go along with such hate propaganda are probably not very bright. I will provide evidence for this statement if requested and if such a study is extant.)

[lindsay7]

Quote by: JaneDoe321 I don't think we've reached real equality in all things... but I think it's important to keep *talking* about it, instead of just turning a blind eye to the male-bashing that's been going on in the last few decades. I think *that* needs to stop, just as much as men slapping women because they view it as keeping their "property" in line needed to stop (and yes, I know it still goes on but at least in general our society frowns on that behavior... it's still difficult for male victims of sexual/domestic violence to get assistance/support).

I agree, I don't like seeing men portrayed as idiots subservient to women in commercials; or bumbling, incompetent fathers on comedy sitcoms. Men aren't like that, and that's not how I'd want a boyfriend or husband to be. I like a strong man, if I thought I could control someone I'd lose interest in them pretty quick.

[another day]

Hey Look, Jack the Ripper is back.

How many woman's bodies do you have under your floorboards now gary ridgeway?

[Compugasm]

Quote by: lindsay7 I agree, I don't like seeing men portrayed as idiots subservient to women in commercials; or bumbling, incompetent fathers on comedy sitcoms.

Bill Cosby was the last one to my memory. Every show since then has been dysfunctional families. I guess they only air good families on the christian networks, but I don't watch those channels either.

[JaneDoe321]

A recent ad for one of the tax software companies makes my stomach hurt. It's this woman completely belittling her husband for purchasing some other software, and treating him like he's a toddler... "Tell the box you're sorry" and he *does* it!

Gah!

And this isn't just on TV, I work in a predominantly female environment and the majority of the conversations are very "matronizing" when it comes to discussions about men.

*this* makes us "equal"? How is that supposed to foster a healthy relationship? Way to arm the folks who say "women are only fit for second-class status", ladies!

It is *so* pervasive, too. It's on advertising everywhere, television, in out culture... I can understand (not justify, nor accept, but see where it comes from) why there would be men who are lashing out. And... not only is this sending a really bad message to our *daughters*, I do wonder what kind of effect this has on young men.

[Compugasm]

Well, I'm glad to hear a woman point that out. I also noticed that in the world of commercials, only white men have medical problems. I understand that there is a "C'mon, relax, it's just a joke." aspect to these commercials. But as you say the pervasive message is repeated that men are being portrayed as lazy and/or not-so-bright. Yeah, white men are wimpy and nerdy cubicle workers, we get it. After the zillionth time, it isn't funny anymore.

Have you ever seen spanish TV stations? Aye chimamma. The hottest babe is always co-hosting with a fat old guy. Then there is the comic relief clown riding a tricycle. These shows kind of reinforce both sterotypes. Super hot babes, and old guys.

[phoenix_fire]

A lot of that depends on what channel you are watching and at what time of day. Some channels are all viagra and Hair Club for Men and AARP auto insurance and Liberty diabetes care delivery stuff. Some are all home pregnancy tests and affordable SUVs and Disneyworld vacations and spring scented fabric softener. Some are all fast cars and Trojan and fast food and beer spots with "the twins". We should all feel pretty stereotyped.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: phoenix_fire A lot of that depends on what channel you are watching and at what time of day. Some channels are all viagra and Hair Club for Men and AARP auto insurance and Liberty diabetes care delivery stuff. Some are all home pregnancy tests and affordable SUVs and Disneyworld vacations and spring scented fabric softener. Some are all fast cars and Trojan and fast food and beer spots with "the twins". We should all feel pretty stereotyped.

And so what? It's called writing for your audience.

If you want to attract buyers of beer who are mildly retarded and think that making a beer "cold" or the "coldest-tasting" beer or putting mountains on your bottle that turn blue when the beer is cold enough that you can't taste how awful it is are good things, you put some T&A in your commercials.

Not that I dislike Coors or anything...




By the way, it seems the OPer has hit and run. Hardly surprising.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: tivodan1116 ...that making a beer "cold" or the "coldest-tasting" beer or putting mountains on your bottle that turn blue..

Oh man, my side hurts.

I just got some paper towels advertised as "DiamondWeave construction". I wasn't really thinking about it, until I opened up the package. All they did was stamp tiny holes in a pattern. In other words, they didn't "weave" anything during the construction! Wouldn't holes make a towel weaker? Total nonsensical marketing crap is what it is.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Compugasm Well, I'm glad to hear a woman point that out. I also noticed that in the world of commercials, only white men have medical problems. I understand that there is a "C'mon, relax, it's just a joke." aspect to these commercials. But as you say the pervasive message is repeated that men are being portrayed as lazy and/or not-so-bright. Yeah, white men are wimpy and nerdy cubicle workers, we get it. After the zillionth time, it isn't funny anymore. Have you ever seen spanish TV stations? Aye chimamma. The hottest babe is always co-hosting with a fat old guy. Then there is the comic relief clown riding a tricycle. These shows kind of reinforce both sterotypes. Super hot babes, and old guys.

Did anyone see that movie called "Freedom Writers" where the highschool teacher was telling kids about what happened in Germany?

It started by showing Jewish people in cartoons with funny looking noses. etc. In the end it was not a joke anymore (the camps).

That is why I objected to the way the O.P. link was designed.

But you bring up a good point. The "war between the sexes" is as old as the hills.

I knew this preacher who said "show me a 50-50 marrage and I will show you a hen-pecked man". Was that bashing women? He went on to point out that someone will be the head of the house. You can talk things over but someone will have the final say-so. But there is always a struggle at some point between a man and wife as to who will rule the roost. Without a chain of command the children get coufused because mom and pop do not agree.

(more later if anyone is interested).

[JaneDoe321]

At the risk of diving right into the deep end of the pool of political incorrectness, I agree with the idea presented by the preacher (if not with the phrasing used).

I don't necessarily think society needs to have a vote in how the internal division of labor is handled in any given relationship, but I think it's ridiculous to assume that everything is 100% equal or *should* be, and anyway how do you determine the percentage of "load carried" *especially* from the outside looking in?

I do think that when society *does* dictate the division of labor that makes it perhaps _easier_ for the parties involved, but I don't even like our current society telling me what to wear, much less making major decisions about how I should behave within my marriage.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Technosoul I knew this preacher who said "show me a 50-50 marrage and I will show you a hen-pecked man". Was that bashing women? He went on to point out that someone will be the head of the house. You can talk things over but someone will have the final say-so. But there is always a struggle at some point between a man and wife as to who will rule the roost. Without a chain of command the children get coufused because mom and pop do not agree. (more later if anyone is interested).

I disagree with the preacher. I don't think one person should be the 'head of the household' all the time. If that works for some people, all the power to them, but that's not what I would want. I don't want to control a man, and I don't want him to control me either.

I think that power should alternate, according to each partners strengths and weaknesses -- but overall it would end up equal. Sometimes the woman has the final say-so, sometimes the man, depending on the issue. Whoever has the most experience with it could have the final say, or perhaps whoever cared the most about that particular issue.
If there's a disagreement, they could talk it over and compromise.

Personally I think that this helps partners take turns building each other up. If one person is in charge all the time, there's bound to be resentment.

[Michael Raizer]

It's quite sexist to say that the moral depravity of society over time is exclusive to just women alone. I could show you a corresponding male picture to each one of those. Ahhh misogyny at its finest...

[Piscean]

The problem with women today is that there arents many real men left these days hahahaha lol lol lol!!!

[phoenix_fire]

*sigh* I'd settle for the restoration of some degree of personal honor and chivalry. I was standing in line at the grocery store with my mom and my little sister on the day before Easter. My mom was taking care of the groceries for our dinner the next day, and I was right behind her with the groceries that we were buying for my grandfather, who is unable to get about any more to buy them himself. Behind me was a line of eight or so carts: young mothers with crying babies, old women with walkers, young kids pulling stuff off shelves. So when I had put my cart at the end of the conveyor and was moving to the counter to wait for my items to be rung up, some fiftiesh guy comes walking up from the side and cuts in front of all those people and me when I was already at the counter and pulling out the checkbook and has the girl ring his groceries up. No honor whatsoever. I wanted to give him a piece of my mind. I most nearly did. Men used to be more respectable.