The Problem With Women Today

[Winter wind]

Quote by: anmon feminism is socialism, anyone knows that.

It's news to 90% of this thread. Prove it or this argument is trash.

[lsbskins1]

Please explain how you equate this: socialism: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

With this: feminism: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

I mean, really, why can't women demand to be full participating partners in a Capitalist system?

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Anmon feminism is socialism, anyone knows that.

If anyone really knows that, it should be easy for you to defend and support with some evidence. Repeating your unsupported opinion means nothing in a debate. You're just talking to a few women and teen guys - aren't big men supposed to be superior? You should be doing better than this LOL.

The dictionary definition of a feminist is anyone who advocates rights for women equal to that of men. By this definition, almost all women are feminists and you'd be hard pressed to find one who isn't.

And womens' political views are as varied and individual as mens'. I'm an example of an anti-socialist woman who supports equal rights.

[Maryjane]

I mean, really, why can't women demand to be full participating partners in a Capitalist system?[/

Gela's reply was an attempt to explain the opposition's stance from a male perspective:

I need gender roles, because without them, I don't have an idenity. Feminism came along, and made my place in society redundant. Women no longer need me to protect them, or financialy support them. Because of this, I hate feminism. I want gender roles back, so I am in unquesionably in control. I might not be capable of earning a womans respect through normal means, so I need them to be under my control. Equality isn't good enough, I need superiority.

I imagine that positon is held because some men only believe in win/lose situations? It is beyond their comprehension that feminism can be a win/win proposition.

The female's stance is down right scary!
Feminism is Evil!

[Piscean]

OK, now that we have established there are exceptions, can you prove that most woman can't defend themselves as well as men. Please don't use the common knowledge argument. That doesn't tell me if woman are 30% or only 10% less likely to beat off an attacker then men are. Common knowledge has also been known to be wrong.

Gezz girl, if I can't use the obvious common knowledge of nature itself then the only thing left to use to prove it to you would be to make women fight men and record the results. That's one expiriment nobody wants to see for obvious reasons. I for one (as most do) already know what would happen. The fact that you don't know makes me wonder how some people can get through life in a fantasy. Hopefully you don't learn the hard way personally.

[Piscean]

So now everythings better because more women are in the workplace and more work is getting done towards the all important progress we are making in humanity like covering the planet in technology, cities and polution and causing all the other life forms on the planet to go extinct. Is it ok for men who are willing and able such as myself to stay home and raise the kids since they've been abandoned by their mothers who had more important things to do like, compete with men to become more like what they can't stand? Because I am absolutely certain that the raising of new human beings into the worl is a much higher art and more important responsability than having a pissing contest at your job over which gender can do it better. I'm willing to take on the more important work in life since women have abandoned it to take the place of men where the gras looked greener. It doesn't make me feel like a woman, it just makes me wonder whan women lost track of what was important and got caught up in the man game.

[gela]

So now everythings better because more women are in the workplace and more work is getting done towards the all important progress we are making in humanity like covering the planet in technology, cities and polution and causing all the other life forms on the planet to go extinct.

Great.. so now feminism is destroying the planet.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Piscean Gezz girl, if I can't use the obvious common knowledge of nature itself then the only thing left to use to prove it to you would be to make women fight men and record the results. That's one expiriment nobody wants to see for obvious reasons. I for one (as most do) already know what would happen. The fact that you don't know makes me wonder how some people can get through life in a fantasy. Hopefully you don't learn the hard way personally.

Can we push past the fact that it's been established that:

1) men are generally physically stronger than women.

2) at any given time, men can be over powered by another male.

3) the average person (male or female) doesn't settle their differences through physical violence.

(although there are exceptions)

[Winter wind]

Quote by: piscean Gezz girl, if I can't use the obvious common knowledge of nature itself then the only thing left to use to prove it to you would be to make women fight men and record the results. That's one expiriment nobody wants to see for obvious reasons. I for one (as most do) already know what would happen. The fact that you don't know makes me wonder how some people can get through life in a fantasy. Hopefully you don't learn the hard way personally.

Number one. I'm a guy. (so is my avatar. He's just young)

Number two. I know it is common knowledge and I know it has some basis in fact. My question is how much. Exactly how much weaker are woman in general?

Number three. You can find this many more ways then caging two people together. I just want to make sure this difference isn't only cultural but physical (which it probably is) and to what degree.

Is it ok for men who are willing and able such as myself to stay home and raise the kids since they've been abandoned by their mothers who had more important things to do like, compete with men to become more like what they can't stand?

You can put it like that, or you can say the woman is better at making money then the guy, so what's the deal?

[Maryjane]

So now everythings better because more women are in the workplace and more work is getting done towards the all important progress we are making in humanity like covering the planet in technology, cities and polution and causing all the other life forms on the planet to go extinct. Is it ok for men who are willing and able such as myself to stay home and raise the kids since they've been abandoned by their mothers who had more important things to do like, compete with men to become more like what they can't stand? Because I am absolutely certain that the raising of new human beings into the worl is a much higher art and more important responsability than having a pissing contest at your job over which gender can do it better. I'm willing to take on the more important work in life since women have abandoned it to take the place of men where the gras looked greener. It doesn't make me feel like a woman, it just makes me wonder whan women lost track of what was important and got caught up in the man game.

Real life is man's game? WTF?

So what you are saying is, society dictates that in order to be a real woman she must stick to her defined gender role which is knowing her place. She should forget about an education, stay in the kitchen, be a whore in the bedroom, have no career aspirations. Her sole purpose in life is procreation, child rearing, housework, decorating, organizing bake sales, watching Life Time TV and soap operas, and filling land fills with dirty diapers.

As a man society dictates that in order to be a real man he must stick to his defined gender role which is world dominance. In order to do this he must be physically strong, play a sport, have someone wait on him hand an foot in all domestic situations. He has to be the aggressiver in the bedroom, his career is his entire life, his children are an extension of him. His daughters are to be princesses, helpless individuals that need to be taken care of and his sons are to be warriors in battle.


Did it ever occur to you that men and women want more out of life? Think of the women artists and actresses. Do you enjoy their music or their films? Did it ever occur to you that some women and men don't want or can't have children? Did it ever occur to you that some people make crappy parents and shouldn't be able to procreate? Did it ever occur to you that one of the saddest things about being a father is when they get old they realize that they missed out all the wonderful events in their children's live because society dictates they have to be the sole wage earner? Did the thought ever occur to you the reason men die sooner than women is that they are under all this stress to be the sole wage earner? Do you consider it abandoning a child when his father goes off to war? What about if he's killed? What is a woman who has no job skills left to do? Be a victim? Allow others to pay her less than they would a man doing the same exact job? Her other option is to marry the first person she can find to help her raise that child and support her.

Is that what real life is to you?

[Maryjane]

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[Piscean]

Did it ever occur to you that men and women want more out of life? Think of the women artists and actresses. Do you enjoy their music or their films? Did it ever occur to you that some women and men don't want or can't have children? Did it ever occur to you that some people make crappy parents and shouldn't be able to procreate? Did it ever occur to you that one of the saddest things about being a father is when they get old they realize that they missed out all the wonderful events in their children's live because society dictates they have to be the sole wage earner? Did the thought ever occur to you the reason men die sooner than women is that they are under all this stress to be the sole wage earner? Do you consider it abandoning a child when his father goes off to war? What about if he's killed? What is a woman who has no job skills left to do? Be a victim? Allow others to pay her less than they would a man doing the same exact job? Her other option is to marry the first person she can find to help her raise that child and support her.

All of this occurred to me, that's why I asked, is it cool if a man leaves his defined gender role as a provider and gives it to the woman who wants it so bad and in return gets to spend a lot of time with his kids (assuming he had any). Or maybe pursuing some hobby or quest of his own if he didn't have kids? I got a lot of responses to my provocative question but no answers so far.

[Piscean]

Great.. so now feminism is destroying the planet.

The point is that people (and trditionally men mostly) have been destroying the planet for a long time, now more women are goining in. It's just a big picture observation not a personal insult toward women.

[Piscean]

joining in.............i meant

[Piscean]

You can put it like that, or you can say the woman is better at making money then the guy, so what's the deal?

Regardless of how anyone puts it, either a woman or a man can make money or raise a child, it's a matter of who wants to do it more.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Piscean All of this occurred to me, that's why I asked, is it cool if a man leaves his defined gender role as a provider and gives it to the woman who wants it so bad and in return gets to spend a lot of time with his kids (assuming he had any). Or maybe pursuing some hobby or quest of his own if he didn't have kids? I got a lot of responses to my provocative question but no answers so far.

So he's giving and she's taking. I see. And people wonder why the divorce rate is so high.

Seems to me it would be a mutal agreement, one to be considered before they get married which is totally their business and not society's to dictate.

Care to comment on the rest of my post?

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Piscean Regardless of how anyone puts it, either a woman or a man can make money or raise a child, it's a matter of who wants to do it more.

Wrong. Raising children is a joint venture.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Piscean The point is that people (and trditionally men mostly) have been destroying the planet for a long time, now more women are goining in. It's just a big picture observation not a personal insult toward women.

Oh bullshit. You basically said a woman's job is to procreate.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: piscean Regardless of how anyone puts it, either a woman or a man can make money or raise a child, it's a matter of who wants to do it more.

who wants to raise money more or who wants to raise the child more?

[Zhavric]

My issue with women is feminism which encourages women to be oppressors and victims all at once. I see it on a daily basis around my office. Women talk about being violent towards men as though it's empowering... yet those same women won't tolerate men making the same statements about them. That's a problem.