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Waychel · Dec 16, 2003, 11:51 pm

I was speaking in regards to the police and not the educators.

I think going in waving guns was extreme, but I do not find anything wrong with police doing searches on students like this. IMO it is for the greater good of the students in the long run.

white rice · Dec 17, 2003, 07:12 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,)
I never said I didn't find it "extreme" in this circumstance. But I still think police should regularly do searches at schools.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What made the press notice was how extreme the action was carried out not the justification of the search. Even if there were a handful of drug dealers, I don't think it's the cops prerogative to treat all the students as drug dealers. It's just like how some law enforcement treats Muslim looking people....

dotcoma · Mar 13, 2004, 07:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
would you prefer another Columbine?

the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it...

dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

HA! YOU NEOCON. Bring on the police state.

Impenitent · Mar 14, 2004, 12:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
would you prefer another Columbine?

the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it...

dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

HA! YOU NEOCON. Bring on the police state.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

ha! I am anything but conservative...

but if it weren't for the police state you couldn't steal and redistribute wealth...

NORMLperson · Mar 15, 2004, 08:58 pm

but if it weren't for the police state you couldn't steal and redistribute wealth...[/quote] - you mean like the primative accumilation that occurred when colonialization of North and South America started? Another topic! hah!

Anyway, going back to the topic at hand, the Columbine and Genesee county shootings have very important CAUSES that need to examined, (i.e. the family life of the perpetrators and social settings they found themselves in). First off, Columbine was EXTREMELY sensationalized by the mass media, along with Marilyn Manson, who had nothing to do with it. The propaganda machine of this country depends on fear within the American public, like Manson says in Bowling.... The implicit fear with the Goose Creek raid was 'drug dealing among student youth'. My statement to Goose Creek is, "Take a look around the country, and not just your little sectioned corner of South Carolina." Is it patriotic to scare kids who experiment with drugs? You know all those billions of dollars that funded DARE? It didn't work. I don't ever remember one anti-gun commercial, but how many youth-related gun deaths are there? It is logical for the police to justify their use of firearms when dealing with thier 'minor' situation due to the high inclusion of firearm deaths within drug trafficking. But it's even more logical to see as to why guns would be involved in drug trafficking. I like how this country doesn't really have huge black markets, being that it's a first world nation. With that, it isn't comprehendable to most TV addicted/uneducated Americans who don't know anything about Crenshaw Blvd. south of Olympic or other areas where black market activity occurs (I'm talking about drug deals, not body organ or kiddie porn deals), that illegal business transactions cannot be regulated legally. In order to maintain business and settle competition, the options are limitless when they are at the same time lawless. Government intervention and distribution of drugs would rid the black market. Research Oakland, CA, and see how the community is tired of police resources being wasted on black market activity regarding marijuana dealers. They took a progressive step and are trying to legalize and tax marijuana, putting the low life dealers out of business.

Hazzard · Mar 22, 2004, 09:40 am

How much more proof do you need that America is a police state. this type of goverment institution baring down on americas youths as if they are criminals will almost certainly put them into the mindset of criminals. I have family in South Carolina but im a resident of the UK and this type of nonesence would cuase uproar and upheavel in government if these same tactics were used to locate drugs or contraband within a school grounds.

Violence begets violence and this type of harsh treatment of students and younge people is no way to earn there respect for any kind of goverment or group of peoples. Drugs is a serious issue, no matter what your affiliation towards the subject, the fact remains that it affects alot of lives in a dramatic way. How is handling this situation by bursting into a highschool guns toting ordering younge poeple on the floor waving guns at them!

Horrendous! Absolutly horrendous.

In my personal oppinion the crack down on drugs such as marijuana is a crackdown on a substance that creates dosile and peaceful peoples. The last thing a government, that knows that it has wars ahead of it, wants is for its people to be dosile and peaceful. Look what happened in vietnam, ask any veteran and they will tell you about the ones who smoked that "sh*t!" were the ones to freeze during a battle.

Obviously the goverments tactics in all things from foreign polotics right down to home governing are taking a turn for the worse and will only get worse as long as people condone these attrocities of civil rights.

Zeebadee · Mar 22, 2004, 10:00 am

"... will only get worse as long as people condone these attrocities of civil rights"

The government has discovered that the people are willing, even eager, to give up rights guaranteed them by the Constitution for a sense of "security", even if it's only an illusion.

Those that point to the loss of 3000 or so lives on 9/11 as evidence of the need to cede the protections of the Bill of Rights ought to be considering how many lives have been lost gaining and maintaining those same rights over the last couple of hundred years.

Kyran · Mar 22, 2004, 11:26 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,)
Left, Right, or middle, we should all be upset over this display. At least I think so. What do you think?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Ah, I see my old hometown is still the same. Fed, I read this article on a political third party website.

Some background FYI:

Berkeley County is a suburban area, with Goose Creek having a modest population and little industry. School violence (fistfighting) is nothing unusual in this majority white area, with shootings being very rare. I only remember one such case of the latter.

Stratford is equipped with the latest in security technology. It is not a gimp public school. It is a wealthy-taxpayer-funded public school and has the best of the best, including metal detectors & police security checkpoints for drugs and weapons. Berkeley County schools have several programs promoting drug abstinence.

Berkeley is the buckle of the Charleston area Bible belt.

Stratford High School first made national headlines when some of the cheerleading squad went on a shoplifting-spree at Disney World. That was the day our proud little village got on the map.

At this point I'd like to interject some of my own opinions & experiences with Berkeley County police. With return call times of thirty minutes to two hours, this law enforcement division is undermanned. The county is large, folks. Most of it is forest and backroads. I have had my car searched by police near half a dozen times in 8 years. Hanahan police (also in Berkeley county) are known to terrorize city residents. I know people who have filed complaints against both these departments WAY before the War on Terror started. Police are willing to bust into someone's home after listening to one side of a story; if you want details PM me. It is my opinion that the only thing these cops down here are interested in is Drugs. While working a C-store in Berkeley, I had about 5 cases of theft. Police were willing to catch the check frauder, but shoplifters walked down the street with soda and beer uninhibited. One time, I knew the thief from high school, but police were still uncooperative despite video tape evidence and eyewitness testimony.

Justification for improper search and seizure? None. There can never be. This was excessive usage of force against unarmed civilians. Police state is the ONLY valid conclusion one can come to from looking at this.

I don't think Police is an appropriate term though, being that police actually fight crime. I would prefer Gestapo or Mafia to better reflect the lawless actions of these dishonorable men in uniform. It takes a coward to put a gun up to someone who doesn't have one.

Personally, I think it's okay for police to watch video tapes, prospect for drug dealers and then pursue them in a timely manner. This is only because drugs are illegal and I think all law should be enforced properly. I find this entire episode to be completely outrageous. It pisses me off because I know the fat ass pigs who did this.

NORML, you made an excellent point. The propaganda machine and our two-party business as usual politics are founded on fear. Perhaps in this realization lies the key to a solution?

dotcoma · Mar 22, 2004, 02:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
would you prefer another Columbine?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Sounds like "would you prefer another 91/11..."

m3talsmith · Mar 22, 2004, 02:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
would you prefer another Columbine?

the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it...

dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
The real question is... do you prefer another Columbine? If kids could carry like they used to, and where encouraged to do so, Columbine would have never had a chance to get started. Those punks would have had a quick bullet in the head from any adjacent classroom.

Tom prove, would you walk into a shooting range and try to kill everyone? I doubt you would. You would get your head blown off before getting 3 or 4 wounded yourself.

Notice that armed atrocities like this always happen where there is no way to defend against it. Where there are guns people have to bring bombs instead. Basic strategy. Remember the saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Well even a knife would be better than bare hands to most people.

m3talsmith · Mar 22, 2004, 02:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
how many unarmed drug dealers do you know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Sounds like you need to stop making drugs so expensive and valuable! Make them legal and they're will be no need for "dealers". Every kid can grow it easy enough who want it. Instead what we have is that the only people who can afford to make them are the same one's who are willing to do illegal things and defend it.

dotcoma · Mar 22, 2004, 04:27 pm

Hey, forty years ago kids in the South took guns to school (firing ranges). Now you get suspended for wearing an NRA shirt. We are turning into Stalinist Russia.

NORMLperson · Mar 31, 2004, 04:14 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m3talsmith,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
how many unarmed drug dealers do you know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

...Make them legal and they're will be no need for "dealers". Every kid can grow it easy enough who want it. Instead what we have is that the only people who can afford to make them are the same one's who are willing to do illegal things and defend it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Like every kid in America has a basic knowledge of botany, cultivation practice and plant hormones when they're young. Give me a break, that's assuming that legalizing drugs would mean that the government would suddenly turn pro drug, which I doubt would happen, nor would I want it to. If one were to visit a harm reduction website such as DRCnet.org, then perhaps more intelligent assumptions concerning the future of our nation's drug policy can be made.

But isn't it interesting that most little children have a basic understanding of what guns do to people and how shooting up 'bad guys' is always the way to beat their video game? I'm not advocating to take away great games like counter-strike and desert combat, but rather suggesting that the combination of shootup games and the mode of thinking the youth displays amongst its peers and under the thumb of authority (from parental to institutional) should become an area of focus, and we should definitely give equal scrutiny to each side.

Hazzard · Mar 14, 2005, 03:17 pm

Quote:

Notice that armed atrocities like this always happen where there is no way to defend against it. Where there are guns people have to bring bombs instead. Basic strategy. Remember the saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Well even a knife would be better than bare hands to most people.

Make them legal and they're will be no need for "dealers". Every kid can grow it easy enough who want it. Instead what we have is that the only people who can afford to make them are the same one's who are willing to do illegal things and defend it

1. Take away guns and your asking for ass reaming from the government. The only thing stopping the White house from putting its iron boot up everyones ass is the crazy motherfuckers willing to defend the constitution with there lives.

2. THEY DONT WANT MARIJIUANA LEGALISED BECUASE IT MAKES PEACEFUL CITIZENS! For a government with wars to fight, this just doesnt work!

Harpist4u · Mar 23, 2005, 09:48 am

Quote:

Quote by: Impenitent

a kid with a gun can be deadly... and how many unarmed drug dealers do you know?

But isn't an adult with a gun, a police with a gun, anyone with a gun potentially deadly?

Children in America have less responsibility because America does not allow them to be adults at a younger age. In other countries what American's beleive to be children are married and have children allready. Once we start raising our children on a basis of more responsibilty, that is when school will become safer. But until then, "children" will continue to act as they do and bring potential danger to themselves and others.

castille · Mar 23, 2005, 10:24 am

The problem isn't guns. The problem is morons with guns. A moron with a butter knife is dangerous.

Harpist4u · Mar 24, 2005, 06:05 pm

Quote:

Quote by: castille

The problem isn't guns. The problem is morons with guns. A moron with a butter knife is dangerous.

The only reason why people think all teenagers with any weapon is dangerous is because the responisbilities they are given are much less than they can handle. Why is it that adults believe teenagers are still children, and yet we are able to reason better than children (at least most of them)? Not only that but 60 years ago teenagers were married and having children at this point. So back then they were not responsible enough to carry a gun? It seems our society lowers the standards on children as each generation comes. If anything more responsibilty should be placed on them so they understand the consiquences of stupid choices, such as playing with matches, guns. Also with drinking and drugs. What of getting behind a car? That is a huge weapon for some. So we should ban all teenagers from using those too because they are 'too young,' and not responsible enough. The only reason why teenagers act the way they do us because society expects them to. If there was a higher standard more teenagers would live up to that standard.

Dec 16, 2003, 11:51 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	I was speaking in regards to the police and not the educators. I think going in waving guns was extreme, but I do not find anything wrong with police doing searches on students like this. IMO it is for the greater good of the students in the long run. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Dec 17, 2003, 07:12 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,) I never said I didn't find it "extreme" in this circumstance. But I still think police should regularly do searches at schools.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What made the press notice was how extreme the action was carried out not the justification of the search. Even if there were a handful of drug dealers, I don't think it's the cops prerogative to treat all the students as drug dealers. It's just like how some law enforcement treats Muslim looking people.... Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Mar 13, 2004, 07:45 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) would you prefer another Columbine? the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it... dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> HA! YOU NEOCON. Bring on the police state.

Mar 14, 2004, 12:21 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) would you prefer another Columbine? the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it... dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> HA! YOU NEOCON. Bring on the police state.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> ha! I am anything but conservative... but if it weren't for the police state you couldn't steal and redistribute wealth... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 22, 2004, 10:00 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,713	"... will only get worse as long as people condone these attrocities of civil rights" The government has discovered that the people are willing, even eager, to give up rights guaranteed them by the Constitution for a sense of "security", even if it's only an illusion. Those that point to the loss of 3000 or so lives on 9/11 as evidence of the need to cede the protections of the Bill of Rights ought to be considering how many lives have been lost gaining and maintaining those same rights over the last couple of hundred years. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Mar 15, 2004, 08:58 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
NORMLperson Molten Ash Posts: 31	but if it weren't for the police state you couldn't steal and redistribute wealth...[/quote] - you mean like the primative accumilation that occurred when colonialization of North and South America started? Another topic! hah! Anyway, going back to the topic at hand, the Columbine and Genesee county shootings have very important CAUSES that need to examined, (i.e. the family life of the perpetrators and social settings they found themselves in). First off, Columbine was EXTREMELY sensationalized by the mass media, along with Marilyn Manson, who had nothing to do with it. The propaganda machine of this country depends on fear within the American public, like Manson says in Bowling.... The implicit fear with the Goose Creek raid was 'drug dealing among student youth'. My statement to Goose Creek is, "Take a look around the country, and not just your little sectioned corner of South Carolina." Is it patriotic to scare kids who experiment with drugs? You know all those billions of dollars that funded DARE? It didn't work. I don't ever remember one anti-gun commercial, but how many youth-related gun deaths are there? It is logical for the police to justify their use of firearms when dealing with thier 'minor' situation due to the high inclusion of firearm deaths within drug trafficking. But it's even more logical to see as to why guns would be involved in drug trafficking. I like how this country doesn't really have huge black markets, being that it's a first world nation. With that, it isn't comprehendable to most TV addicted/uneducated Americans who don't know anything about Crenshaw Blvd. south of Olympic or other areas where black market activity occurs (I'm talking about drug deals, not body organ or kiddie porn deals), that illegal business transactions cannot be regulated legally. In order to maintain business and settle competition, the options are limitless when they are at the same time lawless. Government intervention and distribution of drugs would rid the black market. Research Oakland, CA, and see how the community is tired of police resources being wasted on black market activity regarding marijuana dealers. They took a progressive step and are trying to legalize and tax marijuana, putting the low life dealers out of business.

Mar 22, 2004, 09:40 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
Hazzard Molten Ash Posts: 79	How much more proof do you need that America is a police state. this type of goverment institution baring down on americas youths as if they are criminals will almost certainly put them into the mindset of criminals. I have family in South Carolina but im a resident of the UK and this type of nonesence would cuase uproar and upheavel in government if these same tactics were used to locate drugs or contraband within a school grounds. Violence begets violence and this type of harsh treatment of students and younge people is no way to earn there respect for any kind of goverment or group of peoples. Drugs is a serious issue, no matter what your affiliation towards the subject, the fact remains that it affects alot of lives in a dramatic way. How is handling this situation by bursting into a highschool guns toting ordering younge poeple on the floor waving guns at them! Horrendous! Absolutly horrendous. In my personal oppinion the crack down on drugs such as marijuana is a crackdown on a substance that creates dosile and peaceful peoples. The last thing a government, that knows that it has wars ahead of it, wants is for its people to be dosile and peaceful. Look what happened in vietnam, ask any veteran and they will tell you about the ones who smoked that "sh*t!" were the ones to freeze during a battle. Obviously the goverments tactics in all things from foreign polotics right down to home governing are taking a turn for the worse and will only get worse as long as people condone these attrocities of civil rights.

Mar 22, 2004, 11:26 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,) Left, Right, or middle, we should all be upset over this display. At least I think so. What do you think?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Ah, I see my old hometown is still the same. Fed, I read this article on a political third party website. Some background FYI: Berkeley County is a suburban area, with Goose Creek having a modest population and little industry. School violence (fistfighting) is nothing unusual in this majority white area, with shootings being very rare. I only remember one such case of the latter. Stratford is equipped with the latest in security technology. It is not a gimp public school. It is a wealthy-taxpayer-funded public school and has the best of the best, including metal detectors & police security checkpoints for drugs and weapons. Berkeley County schools have several programs promoting drug abstinence. Berkeley is the buckle of the Charleston area Bible belt. Stratford High School first made national headlines when some of the cheerleading squad went on a shoplifting-spree at Disney World. That was the day our proud little village got on the map. At this point I'd like to interject some of my own opinions & experiences with Berkeley County police. With return call times of thirty minutes to two hours, this law enforcement division is undermanned. The county is large, folks. Most of it is forest and backroads. I have had my car searched by police near half a dozen times in 8 years. Hanahan police (also in Berkeley county) are known to terrorize city residents. I know people who have filed complaints against both these departments WAY before the War on Terror started. Police are willing to bust into someone's home after listening to one side of a story; if you want details PM me. It is my opinion that the only thing these cops down here are interested in is Drugs. While working a C-store in Berkeley, I had about 5 cases of theft. Police were willing to catch the check frauder, but shoplifters walked down the street with soda and beer uninhibited. One time, I knew the thief from high school, but police were still uncooperative despite video tape evidence and eyewitness testimony. Justification for improper search and seizure? None. There can never be. This was excessive usage of force against unarmed civilians. Police state is the ONLY valid conclusion one can come to from looking at this. I don't think Police is an appropriate term though, being that police actually fight crime. I would prefer Gestapo or Mafia to better reflect the lawless actions of these dishonorable men in uniform. It takes a coward to put a gun up to someone who doesn't have one. Personally, I think it's okay for police to watch video tapes, prospect for drug dealers and then pursue them in a timely manner. This is only because drugs are illegal and I think all law should be enforced properly. I find this entire episode to be completely outrageous. It pisses me off because I know the fat ass pigs who did this. NORML, you made an excellent point. The propaganda machine and our two-party business as usual politics are founded on fear. Perhaps in this realization lies the key to a solution?

Mar 22, 2004, 02:08 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) would you prefer another Columbine?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Sounds like "would you prefer another 91/11..."

Mar 22, 2004, 02:21 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
m3talsmith Igneous Magma Location: Southern, MI Posts: 400	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) would you prefer another Columbine? the police have a job to do and they need to protect themselves while doing it... dealing drugs and carring guns (in schools) are serious crimes and they most always go together...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The real question is... do you prefer another Columbine? If kids could carry like they used to, and where encouraged to do so, Columbine would have never had a chance to get started. Those punks would have had a quick bullet in the head from any adjacent classroom. Tom prove, would you walk into a shooting range and try to kill everyone? I doubt you would. You would get your head blown off before getting 3 or 4 wounded yourself. Notice that armed atrocities like this always happen where there is no way to defend against it. Where there are guns people have to bring bombs instead. Basic strategy. Remember the saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Well even a knife would be better than bare hands to most people. One vote for for Freedom. One vote for Michael Badnarik for President. One vote that won't be wasted this year.

Mar 22, 2004, 02:26 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
m3talsmith Igneous Magma Location: Southern, MI Posts: 400	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) how many unarmed drug dealers do you know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Sounds like you need to stop making drugs so expensive and valuable! Make them legal and they're will be no need for "dealers". Every kid can grow it easy enough who want it. Instead what we have is that the only people who can afford to make them are the same one's who are willing to do illegal things and defend it. One vote for for Freedom. One vote for Michael Badnarik for President. One vote that won't be wasted this year.

Mar 22, 2004, 04:27 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Hey, forty years ago kids in the South took guns to school (firing ranges). Now you get suspended for wearing an NRA shirt. We are turning into Stalinist Russia.

Mar 31, 2004, 04:14 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
NORMLperson Molten Ash Posts: 31	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m3talsmith,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) how many unarmed drug dealers do you know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> ...Make them legal and they're will be no need for "dealers". Every kid can grow it easy enough who want it. Instead what we have is that the only people who can afford to make them are the same one's who are willing to do illegal things and defend it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Like every kid in America has a basic knowledge of botany, cultivation practice and plant hormones when they're young. Give me a break, that's assuming that legalizing drugs would mean that the government would suddenly turn pro drug, which I doubt would happen, nor would I want it to. If one were to visit a harm reduction website such as DRCnet.org, then perhaps more intelligent assumptions concerning the future of our nation's drug policy can be made. But isn't it interesting that most little children have a basic understanding of what guns do to people and how shooting up 'bad guys' is always the way to beat their video game? I'm not advocating to take away great games like counter-strike and desert combat, but rather suggesting that the combination of shootup games and the mode of thinking the youth displays amongst its peers and under the thumb of authority (from parental to institutional) should become an area of focus, and we should definitely give equal scrutiny to each side.

Mar 23, 2005, 10:24 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	The problem isn't guns. The problem is morons with guns. A moron with a butter knife is dangerous. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.