Consitutional rights verses company policy.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Cephus But in reality, it's pretty damn hard to regulate speech, isn't it? Unless someone has their hand over your mouth, you can say just about anything you want.

It's actually much easier than you say. It's called "indoctrination," or "brainwashing." It goes by other names, such as "mainstream media," ClearChannel," "religion," and "the FCC."

Grandpa h.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Technosoul I had to sign a paper stating I would waver my legal right to take a break or a lunch break.... standard company policy where I worked. I had to agree to mandatory overtime if so ordered.

That's not legal and it wouldn't stop you from bringing a lawsuit against the company for violating labor laws.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Technosoul Needless to say industrial secrets are confidential and those who know them are expected to be trustworthy. If you tell a dirty joke a girl can shout sexual harrasment and the boss will tell you "that is not allowed by or company policy". If you said that outside no one can outlaw you from so doing, unless you live in Pasadena California.

A company has an interest in maintaining a comfortable working environment for all of it's employees, especially when said employees can sue the company for not doing so. Therefore, every company out there has rules against sexual harassment. I can't imagine why this is confusing for you.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Cephus A company has an interest in maintaining a comfortable working environment for all of it's employees, especially when said employees can sue the company for not doing so. Therefore, every company out there has rules against sexual harassment.

Ideally, this would be true. But many workplaces (if not most) actually try to keep people on edge, always reminding the workers who has the upper hand.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Technosoul I had to sign a paper stating I would waver my legal right to take a break or a lunch break.... standard company policy where I worked. I had to agree to mandatory overtime if so ordered.

Which was legal because I worked security and that job is classed the same as a "emergency response" job.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Cephus A company has an interest in maintaining a comfortable working environment for all of it's employees, especially when said employees can sue the company for not doing so. Therefore, every company out there has rules against sexual harassment. I can't imagine why this is confusing for you.

They use the police and legal system to enforce company policy?

Oh hum, just messing around as I know the reasons why. Even so that means that freedom of speech is being replaced with the freedom not to have to listen. A odd re-interpretation.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: grandpa Ideally, this would be true. But many workplaces (if not most) actually try to keep people on edge, always reminding the workers who has the upper hand. Grandpa h.

A free country where you get to pick which dictator you want to obey, in exchange for your paycheck that you need in order to survive.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Technosoul They use the police and legal system to enforce company policy?

More a matter of they use company policy to make sure their employees are observing and obeying the law.

[Cephus]

Quote by: grandpa Ideally, this would be true. But many workplaces (if not most) actually try to keep people on edge, always reminding the workers who has the upper hand.

Paranoia is great, isn't it?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Technosoul A free country where you get to pick which dictator you want to obey, in exchange for your paycheck that you need in order to survive.

Exactly.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Cephus Paranoia is great, isn't it?

Paranoia? There's nothing particularly "paranoid" about what I said. Workplaces tend to remind workers who has the upper hand, and they even aggressively market themselves to consumers.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Cephus More a matter of they use company policy to make sure their employees are observing and obeying the law.

You mean the law that we have the right to bear arms, and the law that we have free speech?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Cephus Paranoia is great, isn't it?

I would not call it paranoia on the part of workers.

I was once promoted to being a supervisor and was in fact instructed by the manager at the main office to keep employees on the edge, in fear of getting fired if they do everything as expected by company policy.

That is done in a number of ways.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Technosoul I would not call it paranoia on the part of workers. I was once promoted to being a supervisor and was in fact instructed by the manager at the main office to keep employees on the edge, in fear of getting fired if they do everything as expected by company policy.

Exactly (though I'm sure you meant "if they don't do everything as expected by company policy"). This sort of thing is actually very common. I'm sure it's a leading cause of work-related stress.
And a lot of company policies are dumb, which can only add to the stress of having to carry them out.

Grandpa h.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Technosoul A free country where you get to pick which dictator you want to obey, in exchange for your paycheck that you need in order to survive.

Oh really? Which "dictator" do the millions of small business owners and entrepreneurs obey?

You and grandpa act like the only choice people have in this world is to go out and work for a huge, faceless corporation that chews people up and spits them out.

Personally, I work for a successful closely-held small business. I can't think of the owner as a "dictator" without laughing out loud. Methinks you guys just aren't working at the right places.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Technosoul You mean the law that we have the right to bear arms, and the law that we have free speech?

Neither of which are absolute. There are very few places where you can carry a concealed weapon without a permit and you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Try walking into a federal building with a loaded weapon and see where that gets you.

You're thinking you have more rights than you actually do.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Technosoul I was once promoted to being a supervisor and was in fact instructed by the manager at the main office to keep employees on the edge, in fear of getting fired if they do everything as expected by company policy.

See, that's the thing that always makes me laugh about you guys. You were "ONCE" promoted to actually supervising other people. Oh joy. I haven't been out of management since the day I turned 18. People get promoted based on merit. Maybe you and grandpa need to go back to flipping burgers and let the credible adults talk.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Cephus See, that's the thing that always makes me laugh about you guys. You were "ONCE" promoted to actually supervising other people.

I didn't realize we were here to impress you with mundane details about our personal lives.

Grandpa h.

[Cephus]

Quote by: grandpa I didn't realize we were here to impress you with mundane details about our personal lives.

Just interesting to note that the people who are most against authority are the ones who can't get any.

[Domino]

Or, for that matter, to admire his.

Cephus, are you sure you shouldn't just stay at the credible adults' forum? Those of us with souls are in fear of having them sucked out.