What's the point of smoking?

[Technosoul]

[quote=Osborn F Enready;503111]The public, not the government. Being the property of the public, they have the right to set limitations to make it accessible to all of the public by limiting some rights that may directly inhibit the rights of others who have legitimate business to conduct in public areas, such as courtrooms, etc.

I am a smoker, and while I don't "like" not being able to smoke on public property, I can reasonably accept and understand that people with breathing problems can be directly affected and injured by cigarette smoke, but yet have every right to be on that property as I do, therefore the onus of responsible observance of individual rights requires that both are accomodated for by having seperate areas for smokers, TO SMOKE, but equal access to all facillities as anyone else while they aren't smoking on that property.

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I would tend to agree with the first part, but that is not the case here in California. Public buildings just outlaw smoking all together we no area set aside for smokers, as least as a smoker I do not have to serve jury duty anymore. They are now trying to ban smoking from outside public parks. A private bar or resturant cannot permit smoking in their establishment even by setting aside a special area for smokers, the smoker must go outside and away form the doorway. They also want to ban smoking in any car or place where your own children might be inside of, making it unlawful to smoke around you own kids. The school system gives warnings to employees who have the smell of tobacco on their cloths, as they say that is offensive to other employees. Soon enough such laws will be effected in your state also.

And so air space is not really owned by anyone, as the wind cannot be controlled by anyone and it blows whence ever it so wishes. Freedom is like trying to catch the wind. No longer possible, at least not in California.

[Osborn F Enready]

blah blah blah, appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, denial of the facts.....

Freedom only lives where people have a spine and refuse to accept "no" for an answer, fighting it to the end, be it court or otherwise.

I have made my choice, and will defend it.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready blah blah blah, appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, denial of the facts..... Freedom only lives where people have a spine and refuse to accept "no" for an answer, fighting it to the end, be it court or otherwise. I have made my choice, and will defend it.

Yea, give me my cigar or give me death.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul Yea, give me my cigar or give me death.

No, give me my cigar to give me early death !!! as doctor would say for keeping people away from smoking.

[Vacuum]

Quote by: nerdvincent Why do you smoke? Isn't it a bit stupid? Spending [lots of] money to die slowly? It is a major health hazard (both for thou and the people around thou), so why do they allow tobacco and not salvia divinorum? Come on, tell me!

The nicotine in cigarettes instills conflicting effects in the body. One effect calms you down, the other improves concentration and increases (relatively) energy levels. It makes you feel good. I agree with you though, the drawbacks definitely outweigh the benefits.

[derekd234]

I think smoking is a habit. Some people today think it's cool. If one of my friends said that, I'd say "Yeah, like killing yourself is cool." It's just pointless if you want to smoke. You won't be able to enjoy pleasures you wish you got to do, like maybe skydiving, or maybe even win at a tournament of some sort!

[Vacuum]

Quote by: derekd234 I think smoking is a habit. Some people today think it's cool. If one of my friends said that, I'd say "Yeah, like killing yourself is cool." It's just pointless if you want to smoke. You won't be able to enjoy pleasures you wish you got to do, like maybe skydiving, or maybe even win at a tournament of some sort!

Society's mindset=quick fix. In my opinion, it's not the best way to live.

[Sorreltail]

I don't really see why people would spend money to slowly die or cause health problems but I suppose they do.

[Okieslims]

Quote by: nerdvincent Why do you smoke? Isn't it a bit stupid? Spending [lots of] money to die slowly? It is a major health hazard (both for thou and the people around thou), so why do they allow tobacco and not salvia divinorum? Come on, tell me!

We can change the questions to.. why do you eat fast food 5 times a week? or Why do you drive aggressively.. people are willing to be self destructive for simple pleasures.

[Sorreltail]

Quote by: Okieslims We can change the questions to.. why do you eat fast food 5 times a week? or Why do you drive aggressively.. people are willing to be self destructive for simple pleasures.

I see why people eat fast food (not all do) because it is pleasurable to eat .. but smoking?? Where's the pleasure in that =S

[Vacuum]

Quote by: Sorreltail I see why people eat fast food (not all do) because it is pleasurable to eat .. but smoking?? Where's the pleasure in that =S

The pleasure is actually in what you're smoking. Smoking cigarettes stimulates the mind, and relaxes the body at the same time.

[Sorreltail]

It may do .. but so do a lot of other healthy things.

[Vacuum]

Quote by: Sorreltail It may do .. but so do a lot of other healthy things.

I don't smoke, and think it's a horrible thing, don't get my wrong. It's a waste of money and a horrible deal. However, not everyone is that smart.

[Haltia]

So your saying that everyone who smokes is stupid?

[Vacuum]

Quote by: Haltia So your saying that everyone who smokes is stupid?

In that sense, yes.

[Haltia]

Why?
People do irrational things with their health and money daily and are not called to justify it Does that make them stupid too?.
Why are smokers treated differently?
Also tarring every smoker with the same brush is ignorant or at best a bad judgement.
I personally Smoke for my own reasons and to be quite frank its no bodies business what i do with my life, i don't force you to stand next to me. I think people who are non-smokers really need to take a look at their own lives and see what could be affecting their own health before they start judging the ones of smokers.

[Vacuum]

Quote by: Haltia Why? People do irrational things with their health and money daily and are not called to justify it Does that make them stupid too?. Why are smokers treated differently? Also tarring every smoker with the same brush is ignorant or at best a bad judgement. I personally Smoke for my own reasons and to be quite frank its no bodies business what i do with my life, i don't force you to stand next to me. I think people who are non-smokers really need to take a look at their own lives and see what could be affecting their own health before they start judging the ones of smokers.

You're assuming that I care. I couldn't care less what anyone does with themselves. To be honest, I don't think wearing a seatbelt should be a law, but I don't mind that it is. I respect your, and anyone's decision to smoke. However, I think it is definitely an irrational and unintelligent habit to start. There is no denying its direct negative effect on physical health. I'm not saying everyone that smokes is dumb, and I'm not categorizing smokers into one category of human beings; I am simply labeling the choice as unintelligent. There are smart people that smoke, and there are dumb people that smoke, as there are with almost everything in life.

[Haltia]

I don't assume you care i can clearly tell you don't i'm mearly debating after all isn't that what this forums for?

Even though your now saying you don't lable all smokers as 'dumb' when before in my eyes you where by saying that there all stupid, amounts to the same thing to me.

Off topic - It's actually nice to come to a debate board where you actually get a real reply from someone instead of just no it's wrong.

[Vacuum]

Quote by: Haltia I don't assume you care i can clearly tell you don't i'm mearly debating after all isn't that what this forums for? Even though your now saying you don't lable all smokers as 'dumb' when before in my eyes you where by saying that there all stupid, amounts to the same thing to me. Off topic - It's actually nice to come to a debate board where you actually get a real reply from someone instead of just no it's wrong.

The way I phrased it was poor, I agree. You now know my stance on it, and yeah, I love this place for that.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Sor It may do .. but so do a lot of other healthy things.

Can you name anything which gives the exact same pleasurable effects as smoking? Sure there are other things which give you a buzz, but none of them are comparable to nicotine, just as acid is not comparable to weed.

Quote by: Vac You're assuming that I care. I couldn't care less what anyone does with themselves. To be honest, I don't think wearing a seatbelt should be a law, but I don't mind that it is. I respect your, and anyone's decision to smoke. However, I think it is definitely an irrational and unintelligent habit to start.

Health isn't the most important thing in life: there's no point in living a healthy life it's at the expense of pleasure, such as the pleasure given by smoking. Some people feel that fifty years of this pleasure is worth a slight decrease in lifespan. That's a perfectly valid and intelligent choice based on that person's subjective priorities.

Saying that smoking is an unintelligent choice indicates an arrogant attitude which assumes that everyone should have the same priorities in life.