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Technosoul · May 6, 2008, 07:55 am

[quote=Osborn F Enready;503111]The public, not the government. Being the property of the public, they have the right to set limitations to make it accessible to all of the public by limiting some rights that may directly inhibit the rights of others who have legitimate business to conduct in public areas, such as courtrooms, etc.

I am a smoker, and while I don't "like" not being able to smoke on public property, I can reasonably accept and understand that people with breathing problems can be directly affected and injured by cigarette smoke, but yet have every right to be on that property as I do, therefore the onus of responsible observance of individual rights requires that both are accomodated for by having seperate areas for smokers, TO SMOKE, but equal access to all facillities as anyone else while they aren't smoking on that property.

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I would tend to agree with the first part, but that is not the case here in California. Public buildings just outlaw smoking all together we no area set aside for smokers, as least as a smoker I do not have to serve jury duty anymore. They are now trying to ban smoking from outside public parks. A private bar or resturant cannot permit smoking in their establishment even by setting aside a special area for smokers, the smoker must go outside and away form the doorway. They also want to ban smoking in any car or place where your own children might be inside of, making it unlawful to smoke around you own kids. The school system gives warnings to employees who have the smell of tobacco on their cloths, as they say that is offensive to other employees. Soon enough such laws will be effected in your state also.

And so air space is not really owned by anyone, as the wind cannot be controlled by anyone and it blows whence ever it so wishes. Freedom is like trying to catch the wind. No longer possible, at least not in California.

Osborn F Enready · May 9, 2008, 11:44 am

blah blah blah, appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, denial of the facts.....

Freedom only lives where people have a spine and refuse to accept "no" for an answer, fighting it to the end, be it court or otherwise.

I have made my choice, and will defend it.

Technosoul · May 13, 2008, 08:54 am

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Quote by: Osborn F Enready

blah blah blah, appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, denial of the facts.....

Freedom only lives where people have a spine and refuse to accept "no" for an answer, fighting it to the end, be it court or otherwise.

I have made my choice, and will defend it.

Yea, give me my cigar or give me death.

Kuldeep · May 14, 2008, 06:16 am

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Quote by: Technosoul

Yea, give me my cigar or give me death.

No, give me my cigar to give me early death !!!

as doctor would say for keeping people away from smoking.

Vacuum · May 14, 2008, 08:46 pm

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Why do you smoke? Isn't it a bit stupid? Spending [lots of] money to die slowly?
It is a major health hazard (both for thou and the people around thou), so why do they allow tobacco and not salvia divinorum?

Come on, tell me!

The nicotine in cigarettes instills conflicting effects in the body. One effect calms you down, the other improves concentration and increases (relatively) energy levels. It makes you feel good. I agree with you though, the drawbacks definitely outweigh the benefits.

derekd234 · May 15, 2008, 09:59 am

I think smoking is a habit. Some people today think it's cool. If one of my friends said that, I'd say "Yeah, like killing yourself is cool." It's just pointless if you want to smoke. You won't be able to enjoy pleasures you wish you got to do, like maybe skydiving, or maybe even win at a tournament of some sort!

Vacuum · May 15, 2008, 02:12 pm

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Quote by: derekd234

I think smoking is a habit. Some people today think it's cool. If one of my friends said that, I'd say "Yeah, like killing yourself is cool." It's just pointless if you want to smoke. You won't be able to enjoy pleasures you wish you got to do, like maybe skydiving, or maybe even win at a tournament of some sort!

Society's mindset=quick fix. In my opinion, it's not the best way to live.

Sorreltail · Yesterday, 04:11 am

I don't really see why people would spend money to slowly die or cause health problems but I suppose they do.

View Poll Results: Why do you smoke?
I can't remember why I started.	1	2.17%
It helps me relax.	8	17.39%
I don't want to smoke, I just can't stop!	4	8.70%
I'm too stupid to realise that I'm dying.	3	6.52%
It's a daily pleasure like cookies or (ahem).	6	13.04%
I don't smoke! Mind your own business!	30	65.22%
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May 9, 2008, 11:44 am	#382 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	blah blah blah, appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, denial of the facts..... Freedom only lives where people have a spine and refuse to accept "no" for an answer, fighting it to the end, be it court or otherwise. I have made my choice, and will defend it. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

May 15, 2008, 09:59 am	#386 (permalink) (top)
derekd234 Bamboo CTE-450 Posts: 26	I think smoking is a habit. Some people today think it's cool. If one of my friends said that, I'd say "Yeah, like killing yourself is cool." It's just pointless if you want to smoke. You won't be able to enjoy pleasures you wish you got to do, like maybe skydiving, or maybe even win at a tournament of some sort! It's me, it's me, it's D.D.T!

May 6, 2008, 07:55 am	#381 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,051	[quote=Osborn F Enready;503111]The public, not the government. Being the property of the public, they have the right to set limitations to make it accessible to all of the public by limiting some rights that may directly inhibit the rights of others who have legitimate business to conduct in public areas, such as courtrooms, etc. I am a smoker, and while I don't "like" not being able to smoke on public property, I can reasonably accept and understand that people with breathing problems can be directly affected and injured by cigarette smoke, but yet have every right to be on that property as I do, therefore the onus of responsible observance of individual rights requires that both are accomodated for by having seperate areas for smokers, TO SMOKE, but equal access to all facillities as anyone else while they aren't smoking on that property. *********** I would tend to agree with the first part, but that is not the case here in California. Public buildings just outlaw smoking all together we no area set aside for smokers, as least as a smoker I do not have to serve jury duty anymore. They are now trying to ban smoking from outside public parks. A private bar or resturant cannot permit smoking in their establishment even by setting aside a special area for smokers, the smoker must go outside and away form the doorway. They also want to ban smoking in any car or place where your own children might be inside of, making it unlawful to smoke around you own kids. The school system gives warnings to employees who have the smell of tobacco on their cloths, as they say that is offensive to other employees. Soon enough such laws will be effected in your state also. And so air space is not really owned by anyone, as the wind cannot be controlled by anyone and it blows whence ever it so wishes. Freedom is like trying to catch the wind. No longer possible, at least not in California.

Yesterday, 04:11 am	#388 (permalink) (top)
Sorreltail Sedimentary Rock Posts: 11	I don't really see why people would spend money to slowly die or cause health problems but I suppose they do.