What's the point of smoking?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Don't worry, I think we're all done wasting ATP on you.

why should I worry? I do not mind getting in the last word.

Anyway I did not start the post just answered the question being asked by the OP poster.

[Tycoon]

Why should I worry? I do not mind getting in the last word.

Ignorance is bliss, and I am sure you will remain quite happy.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Ignorance is bliss, and I am sure you will remain quite happy.

You came close to calling me stupid, please re-read the Volconvo rules.

But not to worry, I do not respond to the stress intended by such remarks, that is why I am already happy and healthy enough for my creaky old age.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Technosoul First of all we have no proof based on real science that smoking is a major health hazard. If you have been brainwashed into thinking so then you would not smoke. ( 1 ) - Smoking is a long standing ritual for shaman religions. ( 2 ) - Smoking can reduce our reaction to stress, and stress is the number one health hazard in Ameirca. ( 3 ) - Smoking and the smell of tobacco on our body helps to keep away blood sucking insects that carry dreaded illnesses when they bite you. ( 4 ) - Smoking keeps away people who are control freaks while normal people will still hang out with you. So you can drive off people with evil spirits and they will not bug you all the time. Smoking works like bug spray to get rid of the "goodie two shoes" kinds of people that would otherwise suck you dry emotionally. Smoking can be used for bonding with your peers.

All the debaters want to talk about is the reported health risk of smoking, and I have debated that enough already.

No one wanted to debate the reason why I smoke which are numbered in the post above. So apparently the OP was not honest in asking people why they smoke, they just wanted to promote the anti-smoking agenda.

We have enough anti-smoking spam in our society already.

So perhaps we can conduct a little junk science here to see if stress is a threat to your personal health. Take text and let us know how you do

Interactive stress quiz for instant health risk results!

This is an example of a real "life style study".

[Tycoon]

You came close to calling me stupid, please re-read the Volconvo rules.

Ignorance: The state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge.
Stupidity: The state, quality, or fact of being stupid.
Stupid: Lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.


I didn't say that you are slow-minded, I said that you are lacking knowledge. And in this area you most definately are.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Ignorance: The state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge. Stupidity: The state, quality, or fact of being stupid. Stupid: Lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull. I didn't say that you are slow-minded, I said that you are lacking knowledge. And in this area you most definately are.

There is a big difference between a lack of knowledge and believing all the knowledge you are brainwashed with over the media. Knowledge is only information and not all the information they force feed the population with is good or truthful information, some of the info is miss-leading. The fact is that I have been bombarded with all the same stats, warnings, and data that they rest of you have, the only difference is that I did not accept it hook, line, and sinker. I quested it and saw through it.

In any case I only said that you "came close" to suggesting that I was stupid. Or that you came close to making a personal attack on me rather then just the information I related in this debate.

[Technosoul]

Now back to the link to that survey that I provided a link too.

Interactive stress quiz for instant health risk results!

The questions are like those used to determine if smoking is bad for you (in some of those studies about smoking and life styles ) but in this case they are researching stress as a health hazard. Do you feel the test is "scientific" or not?

Will answering the questions give you a honest answer about your "health risk status"?

I do not think the test is sound science for a number of reasons.
Are you all smart enough to tell me why it is not "sound science"?

Would everyone really answer all the qustions honestly?

[Tycoon]

fact is that I have been bombarded with all the same stats, warnings, and data that they rest of you have, the only difference is that I did not accept it hook, line, and sinker. I quested it and saw through it.

Saw through to a magical world of ignorance and bliss where you could smoke all the cigarettes you wanted until one day the doctor told you you had lung cancer and would die in a few months. You can enjoy your fairy world without us.

[Sandy]

Back in the late 1940s, I was in an all girls boarding school and I was gaining weight. The other girls (Hollywood, you know) ended up vomitting after every meal but I felt it was unhealthy,. My mother used to pick me up after study hall hour and before dinner and we would drive up Beverly Glen Blvd. and I would smoke 2 cigarettes to lose my appetite. It was simply to keep my weight down. I graduated in 1950 and being free of the school rules, I began to smoke before every meal and between meals. It worked my weight during these years was 114.

I stopped smoking when a pack of cigarettes went over 35 cents and went through 6 months of hell. Over the years I've gained 60 pounds and feel awful. I was an athlete all those years but still the weight hit hard. Going on estrogen after my hysterectomy just kept adding more weight.

I will never smoke again as the withdrawal was pure hell. I don't care if others smoke; my husband smoked a pipe for years. I never once felt it was a moral sin or even health hazard.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Saw through to a magical world of ignorance and bliss where you could smoke all the cigarettes you wanted until one day the doctor told you you had lung cancer and would die in a few months. You can enjoy your fairy world without us.

A voodoo witchdoctor can tell someone they will get sick and die, and if they believe it, it can happen to them. Do you have a degree to be a voodooo witchdoctor? I want to make sure you are an authority before I believe you and croke.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Sandy Back in the late 1940s, I was in an all girls boarding school and I was gaining weight. The other girls (Hollywood, you know) ended up vomitting after every meal but I felt it was unhealthy,. My mother used to pick me up after study hall hour and before dinner and we would drive up Beverly Glen Blvd. and I would smoke 2 cigarettes to lose my appetite. It was simply to keep my weight down. I graduated in 1950 and being free of the school rules, I began to smoke before every meal and between meals. It worked my weight during these years was 114. I stopped smoking when a pack of cigarettes went over 35 cents and went through 6 months of hell. Over the years I've gained 60 pounds and feel awful. I was an athlete all those years but still the weight hit hard. Going on estrogen after my hysterectomy just kept adding more weight. I will never smoke again as the withdrawal was pure hell. I don't care if others smoke; my husband smoked a pipe for years. I never once felt it was a moral sin or even health hazard.

Of couse the doctors and drug compaines would perfer that you buy pills to loose weight or get a tummy tuck operation.

My weight is 120 pounds. Sort of underwight for a male, according to my doctor, but if feels good and gives me more energy. Of course I did not stop when the price when up to 35 cents (I remember those days, and the ones in the machine even went up higher in price).

Now I pay $2.50 per pack ( I gave up my name brand one and get those promotional ones). But I do not eat as much food. My wife does not smoke but eats lots of candy and chips while watching TV or when she is upset about something. She is overweight now. But now the price of food is skyrocketing. Do you recall the 25 cent McDonald hamburger days? They used to advertise 4 hamburgers for only a buck. Cheese was 10 cents more.

The anti smoking agenda is good for the medical industry. As people gain weight they make more money - weight control is a number one industry nowadays...big bucks. Smoking while in traffic can reduce stress but they are trying to outlaw that, and so people will need to buy more drugs to treat anger management problems and being hypo all the time emotionally.

The reason James Dean looked cool was not due to the cigarette, it was because he looked calm, cool, and collected in his ability not be uptight and "shaking" when the bad guys came around, that is called stress managment and the cigarette is just a tool towards being calm under stress, and appearing calm makes you look "cool". Not the cigarette.
In fact tobacco is a way to self-medicate without depending on doctors or drug companies.

That is why Native Americans used the tobacco peace pipe to calm people down during a big pow wow to arrange a treaty with the enemy.

I know you are not advocating smoking per-say.

I also drink coffee which helps to balance things out, the coffee works to reduce any kind of caughing. They should do some more research on coffee beans.

[Technosoul]

By the way I have a program that I created for people who want to quit smoking. So that they do not have to go though "hell" relative to withdraw effects.

[Tycoon]

A voodoo witchdoctor can tell someone they will get sick and die, and if they believe it, it can happen to them. Do you have a degree to be a voodooo witchdoctor? I want to make sure you are an authority before I believe you and croke.

If I say yes will you die and stop making up stories about "voodoo witchdoctors"?

[Tycoon]

By the way I have a program that I created for people who want to quit smoking. So that they do not have to go though "hell" relative to withdraw effects.

Yes, you who do not even comprehend the fact that cigarettes cause lung cancer are very qualified to make a program to help people quit smoking. After all, I'm sure nobody more qualified and less ignorant has tried to do that yet.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon If I say yes will you die and stop making up stories about "voodoo witchdoctors"?

I did not make up anything, voodoosim is not some mythological science fiction story (except in a hollywood movie). It is a real religion and is still active today. I have spent time to study it and even have used it on occation and that research and experience is knowledge.

I am not posting in this thread just to make jokes and be funny. If that is your agenda then fine, being happy and taking things in humor is good for your health. The study of voodooism a study of the effects of suggestion - auto suggestion - and how that can translate into real term effects on someone's mind and physical body. As well as how hypnotic procedures work.

[Tycoon]

I did not make up anything, voodoosim is not some mythological science fiction story (except in a hollywood movie). It is a real religion and is still active today. I have spent time to study it and even have used it on occation and that research and experience is knowledge.

Hmmm, well somehow I think the science of how cigarettes cause lung cancer is much more realistic than your voodooism.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Yes, you who do not even comprehend the fact that cigarettes cause lung cancer are very qualified to make a program to help people quit smoking. After all, I'm sure nobody more qualified and less ignorant has tried to do that yet.

Now you want to debate what makes someone qualified to debate this topic. Those who parrot their so-called experts, or those who know how to think for their self and can determine things in a logical way. Perhaps you should start another thread for that debate because it is not the topic of this thread?

I am not going to debate that topic in this thread about why people smoke.

I have some other things to do now and will be back later today in case you add another post.

[Tycoon]

Now you want to debate what makes someone qualified to debate this topic. Those who parrot their so-called experts, or those who know how to think for their self and can determine things in a logical way. Perhaps you should start another thread for that debate because it is not the topic of this thread?

Hmm, you know what's kind of off the topic? Whether or not cigarettes are harmful. Which they are. You're the one distracting from the point of the thread by spewing ignorance about how cigarettes aren't harmful.

[rahauk]

All the people that beat up on smokers have me in rolling! I don't smoke, never cared for it, and I realize what it does to your body.

That said, why should I infringe on another person's right to enjoy what they want? There is is a real problem in this country with responsibilty and common sense....they were both buried a long time ago.

Live and let live I say. So, they smoke, stop looking at them like they just killed someone!

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Tycoon Hmmm, well somehow I think the science of how cigarettes cause lung cancer is much more realistic than your voodooism.

I never compared voodooism with science or research projects, I compared it with your attempts to suggest that I would get sick and die.

I would also compare it with the deceptive advertising used by anit-smoking organizations.