What's the point of smoking?

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Technosoul That report in that link did not give the details needed for critical review. Did they use Hydrogen Peroxide as a solution or did then burn it and then use the smoke from the burning solution to "test" the cell reaction? How much did they use of the Hydrogen Preoxide solution, did they use too much? However, the study suggested that the removal of hydrogen peroxide would make cigarette smoke safe. So if you want to ban that additive then that is okay with me. The odd thing is that this report is the reverse of hundreds of other reports that claim that hydrogen peroxide can cure cancer and other diseases because it adds more oxygen to the blood system. Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy Oxygen Therapy H2O2 - Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy Hydrogen Peroxide Cures The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide By Dr. David G. Williams That solution is composed of oxygen plus one more atom of oxygen which is added to water. Odd that oxygen causes cancer, or water for that matter?

The peroxide causing the cancer surprised me, too!

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe The peroxide causing the cancer surprised me, too!

Yeah, many people use it for mouthwash.

I think the reason I find that report suspect is because they took cells out or their natural environment and put them in a lab - test tube environment.

And then with the cells isolated they subjected them to different chemicals found in tobacco (not sure if same chemicals are in the smoke, also).

The cells that showed a change would have done so if exposed to orange juice or anything else as well. (opinon).

Now if you drink Hydrogen Peroxide right out of the solution bottle it can burn a hole in digestive system. If you use only a drop of food grade H.P. then it can improve health because more oxygen is useful.

That is why dose is so important and why I always demand to know the trace amount in question.

Cells are designed to communicate with other cells and our brain which works like centrail station for data processing. The body is a whole network of communication. Somehow the cancer cells are getting the wrong signals or messages in that system of communication, which causes them to rebel like a sub-culture within a larger culture. They become the "cult" cells.

That is why I think that stress which can upset our systems of communication is suspect. Which has to do with our ego. It might be that a selfish ego could pass on an attitude to some cells to become selfish and to isolate from other cells as that rebel cult. Cancer cells are selfish and have no respect for the all the other cells in the body.
Needless to say most scientists would not agree with that idea, but I think it might have something to do with a cause. Comparing personality and disease is something that has only had a limited study done on it.

Also, that study claimed that the cancer developed overnight under lab conditions. When most scientists have always said that it might take many years for the cancer to appear after exposure to something like nuclear material. "Instant cancer" is something new for the books.
Early detection can be miss-leading because many times the cells can get back to proper order in a natual manner. Cancer can appear and then vanish, or even re-appear. All of our body cells are replaced every 7 years and so how can cancer continue for more then 7 years? Because of the hand-me-down communication network that I am talking about.

This brings us to the next stage of investigative research which is about chemical communications. To understand that we must know what chemicals are used to make up the DNA strand of each human cell, and in just what order in the strand are those chemicals arranged. And how would that communicational system of chemicals be impacted by other chemicals not natural to that system within. And how can emotional energy or other things influence that chemical mixture.

Such research is in it's infant stage right now. We've got a long ways to go before we know anything based on such "chemical facts". For some biology lab to try to jump way ahead of the facts yet to be discovered is unwise and I would not trust such a rush to judgement.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Technosoul Yeah, many people use it for mouthwash. I think the reason I find that report suspect is because they took cells out or their natural environment and put them in a lab - test tube environment. And then with the cells isolated they subjected them to different chemicals found in tobacco (not sure if same chemicals are in the smoke, also). The cells that showed a change would have done so if exposed to orange juice or anything else as well. (opinon). Now if you drink Hydrogen Peroxide right out of the solution bottle it can burn a hole in digestive system. If you use only a drop of food grade H.P. then it can improve health because more oxygen is useful. That is why dose is so important and why I always demand to know the trace amount in question. Cells are designed to communicate with other cells and our brain which works like centrail station for data processing. The body is a whole network of communication. Somehow the cancer cells are getting the wrong signals or messages in that system of communication, which causes them to rebel like a sub-culture within a larger culture. They become the "cult" cells. That is why I think that stress which can upset our systems of communication is suspect. Which has to do with our ego. It might be that a selfish ego could pass on an attitude to some cells to become selfish and to isolate from other cells as that rebel cult. Cancer cells are selfish and have no respect for the all the other cells in the body. Needless to say most scientists would not agree with that idea, but I think it might have something to do with a cause. Comparing personality and disease is something that has only had a limited study done on it. Also, that study claimed that the cancer developed overnight under lab conditions. When most scientists have always said that it might take many years for the cancer to appear after exposure to something like nuclear material. "Instant cancer" is something new for the books. Early detection can be miss-leading because many times the cells can get back to proper order in a natual manner. Cancer can appear and then vanish, or even re-appear. All of our body cells are replaced every 7 years and so how can cancer continue for more then 7 years? Because of the hand-me-down communication network that I am talking about. This brings us to the next stage of investigative research which is about chemical communications. To understand that we must know what chemicals are used to make up the DNA strand of each human cell, and in just what order in the strand are those chemicals arranged. And how would that communicational system of chemicals be impacted by other chemicals not natural to that system within. And how can emotional energy or other things influence that chemical mixture. Such research is in it's infant stage right now. We've got a long ways to go before we know anything based on such "chemical facts". For some biology lab to try to jump way ahead of the facts yet to be discovered is unwise and I would not trust such a rush to judgement.

Actually, I hope all your theories are correct. Must say you've thought about this stuff a lot. I wish people could smoke, and it wasn't harmful cause I really enjoyed the habit. Might have some dirty little side effects, but I was always as clean as a person can be with such a habit.

Anyway, "live long, and prosper". Peace!

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe Actually, I hope all your theories are correct. Must say you've thought about this stuff a lot. I wish people could smoke, and it wasn't harmful cause I really enjoyed the habit. Might have some dirty little side effects, but I was always as clean as a person can be with such a habit. Anyway, "live long, and prosper". Peace!

Thank you, I did live a long and interesting life but I am only in my mid 60s, I suppose I should look ahead the 70s, 80s, and even the 90s. but not sure if getting too old is okay because it is normal for the old body to break down sooner or later.

My little shop downtown has done well this month but my on-line family store has not sold anything yet, but we just put it up a week ago and have not promoted it much. At Douglas’ Decor & Gift Shop - Home

Last weekend I did a garage sale and took in about $35.00 on Sat and about $50.00. But the cost of living is in the thousands of dollars around here. Gas here is up too $3.79 per gal and I would guess it might top at $4.50 per gal this summer. and so I had better prosper a lot in the coming months to keep up with the cost of living. Today they took away all our trash cans because we had to cut that service out of our family budget. We got a notice from the city operated trash guys that we would be charged a lot for our "violation".

The money collected this weekend is gone and I just spent my last $3.00 dollars for a pack of cigarettes. But in two days can get more money from the payday advance loan place. I should have spent that money towards a gal of gasoline because we are sitting on the last notch.

Oh well, tomrrow is just another day.

[Kuldeep]

Action, reaction or cause and effect is the base of everything, both in physical as well as metaphysical form. To explain effect of emotions on chemicals and electric impulse in brain, I consider any living being comprising of three main parts. One physical body having physical mind (brain), two metaphysical body (identical to physical one, name it soul) and three the real unconceivable self (life force, name it the God).

Part three is just inactive but provides the kick start of the various functions existing in both metaphysical and physical systems (bodies). As regards the effect, physical matter affects the physical & metaphysical body of the living being and reversably metaphysical mind affects the physical mind (brain) resulting in different types of chemical and electric impulses. To the extent cause and effect basis I would say based on Karmic balance carry over on to the next birth's genes, DNA, RNA is fixed before hand.

Thus, I am sure the emotions can develope as well as cure various types of diseases including cancer. The power of mind (thought) is limitless. Only ones should have technique of taming it to suit one's requirements.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kuldeep Action, reaction or cause and effect is the base of everything, both in physical as well as metaphysical form. To explain effect of emotions on chemicals and electric impulse in brain, I consider any living being comprising of three main parts. One physical body having physical mind (brain), two metaphysical body (identical to physical one, name it soul) and three the real unconceivable self (life force, name it the God). Part three is just inactive but provides the kick start of the various functions existing in both metaphysical and physical systems (bodies). As regards the effect, physical matter affects the physical & metaphysical body of the living being and reversably metaphysical mind affects the physical mind (brain) resulting in different types of chemical and electric impulses. To the extent cause and effect basis I would say based on Karmic balance carry over on to the next birth's genes, DNA, RNA is fixed before hand. Thus, I am sure the emotions can develope as well as cure various types of diseases including cancer. The power of mind (thought) is limitless. Only ones should have technique of taming it to suit one's requirements.

That is partly what I was attempting to relate.

Allthough the Buddists include "right diet" as part of their belief it did not help their founder who died from eating a defective pigfoot mushroom. Outside poisons can have an effect but if we are in-tune we would know not to eat something, however tasty mushrooms was one of his vices.
Which would normally be healthy and okay to eat.

None the less, the cells of the body make up a whole network that all becomes part of our consciousness and subconsciousness. (higher consciousness).

We should do meditations that can bring our attention to our body, inwardly through lightworking so that we maintain that connection between mind and body (the cells in the body - each cell as a sense of consciousness as well).

Through guided meditations we can bring the spiritual light into our body and can mentally guide it through the body form head to toe in order to allow awareness to re-connect what ever connection has been broken.
But those kinds of alternative healings are nearly unlawful to recomend because the mainstream medical industry has the authority of law behind them.

Although the practice is simple to do many "dealers" want to cash in on this from of mind-body-soul healing system.
Re: Manifesting in 2006 From Lightworking Newsletter January, 2006

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul That is partly what I was attempting to relate.

That is nice to learn. But then which part of my post you do not agree with ??

Allthough the Buddists include "right diet" as part of their belief it did not help their founder who died from eating a defective pigfoot mushroom. Outside poisons can have an effect but if we are in-tune we would know not to eat something, however tasty mushrooms was one of his vices. Which would normally be healthy and okay to eat.

If you go through my post cautiously. You would find Acion/Reaction of past deeds as very important aspect (Balance of Karmas, which prefixes the destination) and directs the outcome of actions, no matter how much great the person may be. If the information is correct then Budha was destined to die of defective Mushroom due to his past wrong deeds.

You might have read about pricess Meera Bhai of Rajastan (India) who became widow as a child bride. She developed so much love for Lord Krishna that her brother in-law tried two times to kill her for such mad love for some un-known person. One time it is told, he sent a dreaded piosonous snakes in a basket, telling her that Lord krishna has sent basket of flower garlands for her. She opened the basket with atmost respect and devotion. To surprise of all around present, the basket turned actually full of flower garlands. On the second occasion, he sent her a glass of water contaminated with strong poison telling her Lord Krishna has sent Holy water (Amrita) for her. She drank that remembering her Lord as if her husband had sent it with equal love. Surprisingly nothing happened to her. This cent percent devotion, I refer to limitless power of mind. Such devotion is very very rare !!! ???

None the less, the cells of the body make up a whole network that all becomes part of our consciousness and subconsciousness. (higher consciousness).

Higher consciousness is possible only if you can develop such peculiar power of mind through minds purity and practice as developed by Meera Bhai.

We should do meditations that can bring our attention to our body, inwardly through lightworking so that we maintain that connection between mind and body (the cells in the body - each cell as a sense of consciousness as well).

Not so simple to practice as it is to just to write !!

Through guided meditations we can bring the spiritual light into our body and can mentally guide it through the body form head to toe in order to allow awareness to re-connect what ever connection has been broken.

What sort of guided meditation you are referring to ?? I recommend purification of mind by trying to erase selfishness, self ego and developing love for all as equal as that for your own body and kith and kins.

But those kinds of alternative healings are nearly unlawful to recomend because the mainstream medical industry has the authority of law behind them.

If anything heals as some miracle why to bother for terming it unlawful and for the mainstream medical industry, which has the authority of law behind them

Although the practice is simple to do many "dealers" want to cash in on this from of mind-body-soul healing system.

If anything is done for cashing it as prpagonda or fame or earning worldly benefits then, that system of powerful mind would never work...I can tell you with certainity. It should be just for understanding the absolute reality behind the individual consciousness and that is universal consciousness (you may name that GOD)

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kuldeep That is nice to learn. But then which part of my post you do not agree with ?? If you go through my post cautiously. You would find Acion/Reaction of past deeds as very important aspect (Balance of Karmas, which prefixes the destination) and directs the outcome of actions, no matter how much great the person may be. If the information is correct then Budha was destined to die of defective Mushroom due to his past wrong deeds. You might have read about pricess Meera Bhai of Rajastan (India) who became widow as a child bride. She developed so much love for Lord Krishna that her brother in-law tried two times to kill her for such mad love for some un-known person. One time it is told, he sent a dreaded piosonous snakes in a basket, telling her that Lord krishna has sent basket of flower garlands for her. She opened the basket with atmost respect and devotion. To surprise of all around present, the basket turned actually full of flower garlands. On the second occasion, he sent her a glass of water contaminated with strong poison telling her Lord Krishna has sent Holy water (Amrita) for her. She drank that remembering her Lord as if her husband had sent it with equal love. Surprisingly nothing happened to her. This cent percent devotion, I refer to limitless power of mind. Such devotion is very very rare !!! ??? Higher consciousness is possible only if you can develop such peculiar power of mind through minds purity and practice as developed by Meera Bhai. Not so simple to practice as it is to just to write !! What sort of guided meditation you are referring to ?? I recommend purification of mind by trying to erase selfishness, self ego and developing love for all as equal as that for your own body and kith and kins. If anything heals as some miracle why to bother for terming it unlawful and for the mainstream medical industry, which has the authority of law behind them If anything is done for cashing it as prpagonda or fame or earning worldly benefits then, that system of powerful mind would never work...I can tell you with certainity. It should be just for understanding the absolute reality behind the individual consciousness and that is universal consciousness (you may name that GOD)

Okay, the monitor might get on our case if I debate this post as I am not sure how it directly relates to the topic of smoking. Other then that smoking is one way to bring one's attention to their breathing and allows one to relax for the purposes of reflecting inwardly. So you need to establish that link between you promoting your religion and the shaman useages of smoking in their religions. (perhaps I just did that?).

None the less, with some degree of caution that this might take things off topic a bit I will respond to what you said in the following post. To calm the Monitor I wish to point out that smoking and the use of smoke is a reigious ritual also, and not just a social habit. So I think that religion can play a role in this debate.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kuldeep That is nice to learn. But then which part of my post you do not agree with ?? ( 1 ) If you go through my post cautiously. You would find Acion/Reaction of past deeds as very important aspect (Balance of Karmas, which prefixes the destination) and directs the outcome of actions, no matter how much great the person may be. If the information is correct then Budha was destined to die of defective Mushroom due to his past wrong deeds. (2) You might have read about pricess Meera Bhai of Rajastan (India) who became widow as a child bride. She developed so much love for Lord Krishna that her brother in-law tried two times to kill her for such mad love for some un-known person. One time it is told, he sent a dreaded piosonous snakes in a basket, telling her that Lord krishna has sent basket of flower garlands for her. She opened the basket with atmost respect and devotion. To surprise of all around present, the basket turned actually full of flower garlands. On the second occasion, he sent her a glass of water contaminated with strong poison telling her Lord Krishna has sent Holy water (Amrita) for her. She drank that remembering her Lord as if her husband had sent it with equal love. Surprisingly nothing happened to her. This cent percent devotion, I refer to limitless power of mind. Such devotion is very very rare !!! ??? (3) Higher consciousness is possible only if you can develop such peculiar power of mind through minds purity and practice as developed by Meera Bhai. Not so simple to practice as it is to just to write !! ( 4 ) What sort of guided meditation you are referring to ?? I recommend purification of mind by trying to erase selfishness, self ego and developing love for all as equal as that for your own body and kith and kins. (5) If anything heals as some miracle why to bother for terming it unlawful and for the mainstream medical industry, which has the authority of law behind them (6) If anything is done for cashing it as prpagonda or fame or earning worldly benefits then, that system of powerful mind would never work...I can tell you with certainity. It should be just for understanding the absolute reality behind the individual consciousness and that is universal consciousness (you may name that GOD)

(1)

That is based on the first revealation that "good comes from good and evil comes from evil". In other words, it is what we express and not what we consume that ills us. If we express something from a bad attitude then this disrupts everything down the line - namely our motive, our thoughts, our emotions, our behavior, and finally our heath status. If we have negative thoughts then that can draw to us a negative karma because that is the framework in which we think and observe life.

Once a person flips that light switch to an enlightened attitude then you get an instant karma adjustment for the better and are no longer working in the dark. Symbolized by lighting one up.

The trick is to create a space between reaction and behavior, so that reaction too a unkind insult or deed is defused and becomes non-reaction in that new "space" allowed for in that chain.

Example: Someone calls you a dirty dog. Your impulse is to get mad. But then you take a long drag on a cigarette and create a space between that reaction and what you will say or do in response. In that moment you have time to re-center your self in the proper non-egocentric attitude, so that you can respond in a kind and helpful way. Because you seperated reaction form action, and each time you do that you create a better karma for your self, which karma is calmness, and that is productive of good health over-all. Other methods can be used to create that space other then taking time out for a smoke before taking action. (matter of choice).

(2)

I do not know anything about princess Meera Bhai of Rejastan India (or those teachings). That is a new one for me. I really try not to follow other people very much. (or how that might relate to this topic???)
None the less, belief can be a powerful tool if rightly used but distructive if improperly employed. It is like unto the nuclear energy of the mind.

(3)

I never developed higher consciousness but instead I was just drawn up into it in a effortless way because I was yearning for wisdom during meditation. Like a rapture of weightlessness that activated the hidin' realities within the imagintion. We can only "deveolpe" knowledge and that is done by learning and following instructions. Two different things.
Smoke from a cigarette represents a symblolic anology to that weightless rise into the illuminated blue of the mind's sky. (had to get a little poetic in order to explain it).

(4)

I would object to the word "trying" (to erase selfishness) as the pathway should be effortless and any struggle will be non-productive. Ether you is or you is not selfish. The idea of trying is an idea that - you the ego can do it by self-effort and no doubt for a selfish reason. Which would conflict with the end result you are expecting.

(5)

It is wrong to sell someone a miricle cure that is untested because a lot of religions and aternative con artists are ripping off people who reach for that last straw, and sometimes that even gets in the way of simple medical cures or treatments that are useful. But if you were cured for some unexplainable reason I do not think that would be unlawful.

(6)

I would name it "the blue" just because that name has no dogmatic meaning. But the Book of Tao is a good signpost to those who already understand such things, for confimation only. Mother Nature and the powers of the universe.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul Okay, the monitor might get on our case if I debate this post as I am not sure how it directly relates to the topic of smoking. Other then that smoking is one way to bring one's attention to their breathing and allows one to relax for the purposes of reflecting inwardly. So you need to establish that link between you promoting your religion and the shaman useages of smoking in their religions. (perhaps I just did that?).

Thanks a lot for being so descriptive and truthfully narrative, particularly in second post. I agree the way our discussion about power of mind has taken us off smoking topic, MOD has right to warn us to come back to smoking, which you have very nicely turned back. But then, where It would get such deep thought subject matter???

Yes, I could understand what you talked about smoking, smoke, breath attention and feeling of lightedness etc. In Hindu religion as well, Lord Shiva is known to use Shaman for going into deep meditation (smadhi). Smoking might be a tool to achieve that inward realization and relaxation but then, it affects physical body as well that too adversly. Every good thing has corresponding bad thing associated with it. So I prefer to attain state lightedness and relaxation without smoking !!!

The trick is to create a space between reaction and behavior, so that reaction too a unkind insult or deed is defused and becomes non-reaction in that new "space" allowed for in that chain.

My point is why to use smoking as a tool to create that space between action and reaction. Why not to use sucking a pencil, counting one to ten inwardly so that side effect of smoking won't be there.

Example: Once a person, a smoker went to see a doctor friend who was practicing in deep village for the benefit of poor and illiterate people. After few hours he asked for a leave from the doctor. But the doctor insisted to remain with for night and asked him to go tomorrow. He said he would have liked to stay back but he has run of cigarettes and in this deep village it is not available. The problem with him is that he won’t be able to pass stuff without smoking a cigarette. Doctor said that he needed not to worry, he being doctor would take care of him. In the morning at time of going to toilet, the doctor handed over his friend a pencil and asked him to have few deep sucking at the pencil thinking that to be a cigarette. On doing that he could go and free himself without using any actual cigarette. So my point is, it is question of how you develop your mind.

Smoke from a cigarette represents a symblolic anology to that weightless rise into the illuminated blue of the mind's sky. (had to get a little poetic in order to explain it).

I very well understand what you are attempting to tell. But, I would still opt an easier tool of mind power and self control to enter the stage you are entering using smoking as a tool.

I would object to the word "trying" (to erase selfishness) as the pathway should be effortless and any struggle will be non-productive. Ether you is or you is not selfish. The idea of trying is an idea that - you the ego can do it by self-effort and no doubt for a selfish reason. Which would conflict with the end result you are expecting.

This is a wonderful statement of yours, nay it might have dropped down from or gone up from what you call deep Blue !!!!

I appreciate from the core my heart your picking up this word "Trying". Definitely, when it comes to trying, Ego and Self Prestige bind us. Both are enemies on path of realizing absolute reality, the state of universal Consciousness.

See, your picking up smoking as a tool to go to that state is also nothing but trying only.

All right, I would chew back my "Trying" word and vomit out a different group of words "Enjoying the feeling of your own real self through mind power". Still, I feel if one is strong/firm enough at mind and has balance in own self, he need not have to take un-warranted side effect producing SMOKING as a tool.

[Jayjhis]

This isn't a justification of anything but my own weak willpower and neuroses, but it's still the truth nonetheless.

I suffered from something called "binge eating disorder", which is like bulimia minus the vomiting, when I was a teenager. The psychology behind that isn't important, but the fact that I weighed over 400 pounds by age 16 is.

Then I discovered this new thing to do when bored, or upset, or frustrated, or depressed, or just antsy (situations that used to warrant eating massive amounts of food).

Had I not started smoking, I may have gotten over the disorder eventually, I may have conquered my demons and stopped binging, or maybe not. I guess I'll never know, but how big would I have gotten? How long would it have taken? Would I ever have been able to lead a normal life?

Now, I continue to smoke for several reasons:

--I fear that I have replaced one addiction (food) with another (nicotine) and will go back to the previous addiction if I stop smoking, and my attempts to quit have always resulted in just that. Can't smoke, eat and eat and eat and eat and...

--I am addicted. I get mean. I go through typical nicotine withdrawal in addition to this urge to consume everything edible in sight. I go into a terrifyingly dysphoric mood and every sound, every feeling, every person, every action, and every object, becomes a great annoyance. (i.e. pour a glass of water, a tiny droplet splashes out and hits your hand, the feeling of it is so repulsive and irritating that you restrain yourself from throwing the glass against the nearest wall... or human face)

--If I continued binge eating I would probably be so fat that I would be bedridden and unable to leave my house. I would die young from heart failure or something to that effect, and my entire adult life would be miserable. Even if I simply stayed as big as I was, my life would be much less enjoyable because of my morbid obesity and I would still die fairly young. Instead, I'm actually pretty good looking now and I have an active and fulfilling social life.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kuldeep Thanks a lot for being so descriptive and truthfully narrative, particularly in second post. I agree the way our discussion about power of mind has taken us off smoking topic, MOD has right to warn us to come back to smoking, which you have very nicely turned back. But then, where It would get such deep thought subject matter??? Yes, I could understand what you talked about smoking, smoke, breath attention and feeling of lightedness etc. In Hindu religion as well, Lord Shiva is known to use Shaman for going into deep meditation (smadhi). Smoking might be a tool to achieve that inward realization and relaxation but then, it affects physical body as well that too adversly. Every good thing has corresponding bad thing associated with it. So I prefer to attain state lightedness and relaxation without smoking !!! ******************** Well, one would not smoke while doing a meditation. So I should not confuse the two. The weightlessness felt in meditation is different then feeling light headed due to a cigarette ( and pot would work better then a cigarette if that was the purpose of smoking ). I was just pointing out that they are simular. In meditation we bring our attention to our forehead, using what some call the inner (or the 3rd eye). Then direct awareness to the finger tips. That connects mind and body. Well, I would need to give more time to all that in order to make sense. My point is why to use smoking as a tool to create that space between action and reaction. Why not to use sucking a pencil, counting one to ten inwardly so that side effect of smoking won't be there. ****************** The difference is that tobacco contains medicene that relaxes the body and a pencil does not. What you suggest is like telling a person to drink water instead of taking their prescription drugs because drugs have a side effect. ********************* Example: Once a person, a smoker went to see a doctor friend who was practicing in deep village for the benefit of poor and illiterate people. After few hours he asked for a leave from the doctor. But the doctor insisted to remain with for night and asked him to go tomorrow. He said he would have liked to stay back but he has run of cigarettes and in this deep village it is not available. The problem with him is that he won’t be able to pass stuff without smoking a cigarette. Doctor said that he needed not to worry, he being doctor would take care of him. In the morning at time of going to toilet, the doctor handed over his friend a pencil and asked him to have few deep sucking at the pencil thinking that to be a cigarette. On doing that he could go and free himself without using any actual cigarette. So my point is, it is question of how you develop your mind. ****************** Nice storytelling but the problem is only that the person should have gone prepared instead of going to that village unprepared. I personally avoid doctors because I do not wish to get hooked on a bunch of prescription drugs. ********************* I very well understand what you are attempting to tell. But, I would still opt an easier tool of mind power and self control to enter the stage you are entering using smoking as a tool. ********************** My mind is smarter then I am so I do not try to control it. The mind is based on billions of years of genetic experience, I have only been here as this particular indentity for less then one hundred years. ************************ This is a wonderful statement of yours, nay it might have dropped down from or gone up from what you call deep Blue !!!! I appreciate from the core my heart your picking up this word "Trying". Definitely, when it comes to trying, Ego and Self Prestige bind us. Both are enemies on path of realizing absolute reality, the state of universal Consciousness. ********************* Thanks for finding room for agreements. ****************** See, your picking up smoking as a tool to go to that state is also nothing but trying only. ******************* Actually I did not start to smoke for any given purpose, just discovered that the effects agree with me and my personality. The thing with cigarettes is that "trying only" is not required as that is the purpose of the addiction quality that takes trying out of the picture and makes it more automatic and effortless. It does not conflict with the brain because the brain loves it. ********************* All right, I would chew back my "Trying" word and vomit out a different group of words "Enjoying the feeling of your own real self through mind power". Still, I feel if one is strong/firm enough at mind and has balance in own self, he need not have to take un-warranted side effect producing SMOKING as a tool. ***************** And you should continue to do what works best for you, I am not about trying to convert anyone to my way of life. To each his/her own. Now if you want we can do a debate about the topic of self-control in a new thread for that topic, it would be more interesting to share our insights in a posting that does not involved smoking cigarettes. *****************

NOTE: I have posted my comments between the star dots so that it looks like an on-going conversation.

PS: It is not a "deep" blue. That would be more like a deep blue sea. However I will not object too much, as the blue suggested that your Princess might of come from the water and so that would be like unto a sacred environment. In another story the monkey saved the Princess as did the "monkey on my back".... (ha..just a play on words).

[Osborn F Enready]

I smoke because I enjoy it.

[davedes]

Hm.. this is a bit of a broad question.

Marijuana: I smoke weed regularly. I enjoy the high and I enjoy the experience. I use vaporizers and oral cannabis when possible to minimize toxins, even though I generally don't consider smoked marijuana very physically harmful.

Hookah w/ flavoured tobacco: I smoke this on occasion, but only in social settings. It smells great, it's extremely relaxing and very enjoyable. It adds a lot of fun to an otherwise average afternoon with friends.

Cigarettes/other: I don't smoke anything else. I've never smoked a cigarette and I have no desire to.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I smoke because I enjoy it.

ditto

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I smoke because I enjoy it.

I was mainly debating the O.P. poll.

The poll did not ask "what is the point of smoking"? Which you answered.

The poll asked "Why do you enjoy smoking when you know it is killing you or giving you cancer".. etc?

In other words the poll suggested "why are you stupid enough to enjoy doing something unhealthy"?

Is that poll question bias or in error? and if not how do you answer the "whole question" without downsizing it with a more simplistic response?

[davedes]

The poll asked "Why do you enjoy smoking when you know it is killing you or giving you cancer".. etc?

I'll assume we're talking about cigarettes (as opposed to smoked marijuana, hookah, crack, etc). I'll also assume we are talking about those who smoke on a daily basis, to the point at which it may become a health risk (as opposed to those who are able to resist heavy use).

With that in mind, I'd say the honest answer would generally be "because I'm addicted."

Take coffee, for example. For some people, caffeine can be a very addicting substance. Ask frequent users why they drink it, and you will get an array of responses... lots of "I like the taste" and "it wakes me up" (both valid). But often they are also physically and/or psychologically dependent on the drug, to the point that coffee acts as a "fix" to that addiction.

For the average person, I don't see anything particularly wrong with a coffee addiction. A cigarette addiction, on the other hand, can be pretty rough!

If a frequent smoker is fully aware of their addiction (if they even are addicted) and is also fully aware of the possible consequences, then I don't see why we should restrict them from a quick high.

In other words the poll suggested "why are you stupid enough to enjoy doing something unhealthy"? Is that poll question bias or in error? and if not how do you answer