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DadaOrwell2 · Feb 6, 2008, 02:05 pm

Yet another use we've discovered for open carried firearms in New Hampshire...

YouTube - Gun toting Free Staters clear ice in "troubled" neighborhood

DadaOrwell2 · Mar 4, 2008, 05:34 pm

BTW latest on this is there is another guy i've never heard of who saw this and is organizing one of his own in the eastern part of the state.

Roxdog · Mar 4, 2008, 06:04 pm

Very nice :)

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 06:04 pm

Shoveling ice is completely irrelevant to whether or not guns should be carried in public.

Roxdog · Mar 4, 2008, 06:06 pm

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Shoveling ice is completely irrelevant to whether or not guns should be carried in public.

Not really. They are trying to spread the message that having the ability to defend yourself is a good thing. So, if they are "irrelevent" than I would say they are about as irrelevent as cookies are to girl scouts.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 06:16 pm

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Not really. They are trying to spread the message that having the ability to defend yourself is a good thing. So, if they are "irrelevent" than I would say they are about as irrelevent as cookies are to girl scouts.

Protect themselves from what? Nobody tried to mug them while they were shoveling ice.

And no, cookies are one of the girl scout's largest fundraisers and so are completely relevant.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 06:22 pm

There wasn't even anybody up at that time of the morning. They pointed the camera at a couple of black people once (which I would call racism), maybe to get across the point that it's a "troubled" neighborhood?

Guns kill people just as easily as they protect people anyways.

Kite · Mar 4, 2008, 07:05 pm

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Protect themselves from what? Nobody tried to mug them while they were shoveling ice.

Thats the whole point. What kind of idiot mugs someone with a glock strapped to their hip? The whole open carry thing is to deter things like mugging and robbery.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 07:08 pm

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Thats the whole point. What kind of idiot mugs someone with a glock strapped to their hip? The whole open carry thing is to deter things like mugging and robbery.

Lax regulations of who can own guns and where they can carry them will result in a higher death rate. Unless you are suggesting that every adult should carry a gun?

Kite · Mar 4, 2008, 07:40 pm

How is this showing lax regulations of who can own and carry guns? All I see are responsible citizens cleaning a street. They don't give a carry license or sell a handgun to every shmo that wants one. They do background checks and so forth to make sure they aren't giving a weapon to some kind of maniac. Besides, what kind of idiot criminal would buy a gun through legal means that could easily be traced back to them? Even if people weren't allow to buy or carry or own guns, criminals still have ways and means to get them illegally.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 07:46 pm

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Besides, what kind of idiot criminal would buy a gun through legal means that could easily be traced back to them? Even if people weren't allow to buy or carry or own guns, criminals still have ways and means to get them illegally.

Hmm, you're right. So the criminals can get guns illegally and carry them around with less suspicion being placed on them, because people carrying guns around will be a normal thing.

I don't know exactly what problem you're trying to solve here... guns don't solve problems. They create them.

Kite · Mar 4, 2008, 07:53 pm

If you are acting suspicious and you're carrying a gun, a cop will ask to see your license. Hell, a cop could just decide he wants to see your license just for kicks. Besides, criminals are usually known by the local cops in the area, if they see a repeat offender suddenly start carrying they're going to ask questions.

Also, guns are tools, the people that use the guns in an unlawful way are what causes the problems.

Halofan48 · Mar 4, 2008, 07:53 pm

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They do background checks and so forth to make sure they aren't giving a weapon to some kind of maniac

I recall that the virginia tech shooting was done with a legally purchased gun bought by the disturbed shooter, who had a known criminal past.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 07:57 pm

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If you are acting suspicious and you're carrying a gun, a cop will ask to see your license. Hell, a cop could just decide he wants to see your license just for kicks.

Cops can't be everywhere. I have never seen a cop near my school.

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Besides, criminals are usually known by the local cops in the area, if they see a repeat offender suddenly start carrying they're going to ask questions.

That makes a lot of ridiculous assumptions. In an area where this could be a problem there are, no doubt, lots of cops. To think the one that happens to see the offender carrying a gun would recognize him is ridiculous.

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Also, guns are tools, the people that use the guns in an unlawful way are what causes the problems.

Tools to do what? The only thing a gun does is kill or maim. In the case of public safety they should only be carried by cops.

Kite · Mar 4, 2008, 07:59 pm

That kid was seriously disturbed. People do fall through the cracks, yes, this is true of any system, but even if he had been denied he was probably motivated enough to obtain one through illegal means. This sounds like the claim that the fact that he played counter-strike contributed to his actions. Nonsense.

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 08:01 pm

I'd also like to throw in the fact that if guns were carried around in public they'd be much more likely to get stolen by somebody who shouldn't be carrying one.

Kite · Mar 4, 2008, 08:05 pm

Are you trying to tell me someone would seriously entertain the notion of trying to steal ANYTHING from a clearly armed person?

Tycoon · Mar 4, 2008, 10:59 pm

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Are you trying to tell me someone would seriously entertain the notion of trying to steal ANYTHING from a clearly armed person?

I wouldn't, but I'm sure others would. Especially considering if they got the gun they would be the ones clearly armed.

What if some criminal didn't notice the guy had a gun and knocked him out cold before he could do anything, and then notices the gun? There are other scenarios.

Besides, you completely ignored the question of how making more guns solves anything.

DadaOrwell2 · Mar 18, 2008, 10:13 pm

<< Protect themselves from what? Nobody tried to mug them while they were shoveling ice.>>

No...they sure didn't!

The Dunedan · Mar 18, 2008, 10:28 pm

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Besides, you completely ignored the question of how making more guns solves anything.

It allows more decent, peaceful, non-aggressing people to arm themselves with the means of personal self-defense. Furthermore as the supply increases the price will decrease, making higher-quality firearms available to people of every income. This will increase the odds that:

1: An armed, potentially or actually murderous sociopath is (or person who's acting remarkably like one) is my some means captured by the Police.

2: A person perhaps not as dangerous may be frightened away or perhaps, hopefully, out of his current lifestyle. This is what happens in the majority of the 2-2.5 million times firearms are used for self-defense every year.

3: An armed, potentially or actually murderous sociopath has a run-in with Evolution. I fail to see a downside.

Feb 6, 2008, 02:05 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	NH: Gun toting Free Staters clear ice in "troubled" neighborhood Yet another use we've discovered for open carried firearms in New Hampshire... YouTube - Gun toting Free Staters clear ice in "troubled" neighborhood The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com

Mar 4, 2008, 05:34 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	BTW latest on this is there is another guy i've never heard of who saw this and is organizing one of his own in the eastern part of the state. The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com

Mar 4, 2008, 07:40 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	How is this showing lax regulations of who can own and carry guns? All I see are responsible citizens cleaning a street. They don't give a carry license or sell a handgun to every shmo that wants one. They do background checks and so forth to make sure they aren't giving a weapon to some kind of maniac. Besides, what kind of idiot criminal would buy a gun through legal means that could easily be traced back to them? Even if people weren't allow to buy or carry or own guns, criminals still have ways and means to get them illegally. I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

Mar 4, 2008, 07:53 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	If you are acting suspicious and you're carrying a gun, a cop will ask to see your license. Hell, a cop could just decide he wants to see your license just for kicks. Besides, criminals are usually known by the local cops in the area, if they see a repeat offender suddenly start carrying they're going to ask questions. Also, guns are tools, the people that use the guns in an unlawful way are what causes the problems. I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

Mar 4, 2008, 07:59 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	That kid was seriously disturbed. People do fall through the cracks, yes, this is true of any system, but even if he had been denied he was probably motivated enough to obtain one through illegal means. This sounds like the claim that the fact that he played counter-strike contributed to his actions. Nonsense. I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

Mar 4, 2008, 06:04 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Roxdog Molten Ash Posts: 95	Very nice :)

Mar 4, 2008, 06:04 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Grammar Police Location: California Posts: 1,153	Shoveling ice is completely irrelevant to whether or not guns should be carried in public.

Mar 4, 2008, 06:22 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Grammar Police Location: California Posts: 1,153	There wasn't even anybody up at that time of the morning. They pointed the camera at a couple of black people once (which I would call racism), maybe to get across the point that it's a "troubled" neighborhood? Guns kill people just as easily as they protect people anyways.

Mar 4, 2008, 08:01 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Grammar Police Location: California Posts: 1,153	I'd also like to throw in the fact that if guns were carried around in public they'd be much more likely to get stolen by somebody who shouldn't be carrying one.

Mar 4, 2008, 08:05 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	Are you trying to tell me someone would seriously entertain the notion of trying to steal ANYTHING from a clearly armed person? I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

Mar 18, 2008, 10:13 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	<< Protect themselves from what? Nobody tried to mug them while they were shoveling ice.>> No...they sure didn't! The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com